Internet Paulites: All Talk, No Show
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I'm headed to Bangkok, down near the megamall strip. (Rama I/Chit Lom)
I just spent January there as kind of a test run. Beats the shit out of this sad country...
@danke: Here's some hard evidence for you as well. The MSM is undeniably targeting Ron Paul like Jon Stewart, Cenq, and many others have pointed out. This is now a FACT.
You can also search in YouTube for "Voter Fraud" and you'll see video after video of people with evidence of some kind all crooking these primary and caucus polls in ways that have hurt RP... Some of them are really damning!
Very relevant to thread topic:
In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.
Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses
In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.
Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses
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The delegate reports are like that from all over MN too. There was a lot of preparation and planning by both the campaign and supporters to win delegates in MN. I attended 3 mock caucuses at the Ron Paul headquarters earlier in the year to learn the caucus system. We picked our delegates before the night of the caucus, then went in prepared and concentrated our votes. Some of the really old people in my precinct seemed mad. :thumbsup:
Effin' A! I'm up to 2.5% hope now.
I do wonder why they let this stuff leak though... Seems like Mitten's camp would be reading this now very carefully, look for weaknesses and compete with Paul head to head on this.
Is this press just getting out despite Paul's teams' best efforts?
LOL; If you notice I always abbreviated Microsite Masters as "MsM" out of proper respect. :thumbsup:
The Ron Paul Campaign isn't really trying to hide it.
Straw Polls vs. Collecting Delegates - Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
I think it is too late for anybody else to start organizing a similar effort now. We spent months identifying supporters and organizing for caucus night here.
Not good. Sun Tsu has some relevant words on the topic of letting your enemies see what you're up to...
At the very least, it gives the GOP time to get their LAWYERS pokeing around in Paul's bizness...
That's why I mentioned Romney. He's been shown to hire people to do his supporter work; It's not outside reason that he could simply hire some seriously-dedicated Delegates to infiltrate the same polls Paul is targeting.
This plus the fact the delegate process is very complicated when you figure that it's different for every district, then every state, then nationally.
How Texas' 228 Delegates are Allocated
Texas has a mixed primary-caucus way of selecting delegates, in addition to "super delegates" -- but the process works well because it rewards the candidate that gets voters to the polls on election day.
193 "pledged" delegates decided by the primary-caucus system
35 "unpledged" or "super" delegates
The "super" delegates are self explanatory -- so let's see if we can't help you make sense of the primary-caucus mix of "pledged" delegates. Again, thanks to the Lone Star Project for doing a lot of our work for us.
How Texas' 193 "Pledged" Delegates Are Allocated -- Primary/Caucus Hybrid (2008)
126 delegates are "primary-chosen" delegates, allocated based on the results of votes cast on March 4. The 126 delegates that are allocated by the "regular" primary system will be the only ones that Senator Clinton and Senator Obama can add to their tally after March 4. These 126 delegates are divided based on the voting strength of each candidate in the 31 State Senate Districts across Texas.
Later today, I will have an exhaustively extensive post that looks at each of those 31 State Senate Districts to try and see where either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama may hope to play strongly.
67 delegates are "caucus-chosen" delegates, allocated at the state convention.
Overall, the vast majority of delegates that can be won in Texas are based on the voting totals -- because the "caucus-chosen" delegates are only assigned based on who shows up to the local precinct conventions the day of the election. We explain below.
An Explanation of the 67 "Caucus-Chosen" Delegates
There is a four-page document provided by the Texas Democratic Party that explains how the 67 "caucus-chosen" delegates are picked and allocated. If you really, really want to know how this works, you can read it by clicking here. Here's the most important points, though:
This process rewards whichever candidate organizes its voters to attend the precinct conventions after the polls close.
Delegates that work their way through the precinct and county/district conventions are free to switch their candidate support at any time until the state convention -- but normally (and especially if the race is still undecided at the time of the state convention in June) -- delegates won't switch.
Here, now -- for those true political junkies out there -- is a summary of how the Texas caucus system works:
42 at-Large delegates allocated by the "caucus" system. The allocation of these 42 delegates (by candidate preference) is based on the presidential preference expressed state convention delegates (who are chosen at their precinct and county conventions) when they sign in at the state convention June 6.
Let's do an example: 100 people attend a precinct convention (which is held 15 minutes after the polls close). 80 of those attending the precinct convention support Obama, and 20 support Clinton. Let's assume your precinct gets to select 5 delegates to the County Convention. 4 of those Delegates would be "pledged" to Obama, and 1 would be "pledged" to Clinton. Those 5 people go to the County Convention.
At the County Convention, the same process is repeated. Let's say there are 100 people at the County Convention -- these are the 100 delegates that were chosen at all of the precinct conventions around the County. At the County Convention, let's say 75 are "Obama precinct convention" delegates and 25 are "Clinton precinct convention" delegates. Based on the county strength -- the percentage of statewide Democratic votes that came from your county -- let's say your County gets to send 4 delegates to the State Convention. 3 of those delegates would be "pledged" to Obama, and 1 would be "pledged" to Clinton.
The identical process is followed at the State convention. Let's say 100 delegates go to the State Convention -- these are the 100 delegates that were chosen to represent their candidate at the County Convention. Of these 100 delegates at the State Convention, 66 (2/3) vote for Obama and 34 (1/3) vote for Clinton. The 42 at-large delegates are split along this percentage division -- so Obama would have an additional 28 delegates (2/3 of 42) attend the DNC Convention, while Clinton would have 14 delegates (1/3 of 42) attend the DNC Convention.
I grossly under-represented the numbers at every convention level for illustrative purposes; if you can follow this logic (and I've tried as best I could to help you), you'll understand the main point: this process awards whichever campaign has the best grassroots effort to get their voters to stay after the polls close and attend the precinct convention. This is truly a process where the numbers build up -- and yes, it's crazy. But we're Texas -- what would we be if we weren't at least a little crazy.
Also, 25 pledged "super delegates" allocated by the caucus system. The 25 pledged "party delegates" are party leaders, Democratic Mayors and Legislators. They are all allocated along the same lines as the delegates attending the State convention. Using the 2/3 to 1/3 split I described above, 17 of the 25 delegates (2/3) would be for Obama, and 8 delegates (1/3) would be for Clinton. As a note, only a candidate receiving a 15 percent threshold may receive votes.
TL;DR
126 "primary-chosen" delegates, allocated based on the results of votes cast in texas primary.
42 at-large, "caucus-chosen" delegates that come up through the primary and county convention.
25 pledged "party delegates" allocated by the presidential preference of delegates attending the State convention.
35 unpledged "super delegates"
And that's just Texas. Multiply that complexity by 50 and then add in the actual rules of the RPN and it's no wonder most people don't really "get it".
Add these two factors in plus the fact that the media won't cover Ron Paul until they absolutely have too and America will still be in the dark until it's too late. Hence, the reason Ron Paul is not worried about the strategy being outted.
^With the media on their side, you do realize that they can turn public opinion against paul BECAUSE he's using this, what they will call "shady & underhanded" methods to "Steal" the nomination, right?
I could totally see Paul winning enough delegates but then having half of America hate him for his "abuse" of the system... They'll try to get the caucus system Voided at that point. Oy vey.
I could totally see Paul winning enough delegates but then having half of America hate him for his "abuse" of the system... They'll try to get the caucus system Voided at that point. Oy vey.
Nah. Especially since this is exactly how our current president won the candidacy against Hilary. There was some talk about it, but since there's nothing underhanded (since this is exactly how the electoral system works) people move on.
Tonight is my MN BPOU/Senate District convention. I think around 300-400 precinct delegates/alternates should be there. I have heard that around 120 precinct delegates will be running to fill 46 delegate spots moving on to the next level which will be the congressional district convention.
The local Ron Paul group met up yesterday for some final pre-convention organization. We have our slate of delegates picked and some supporters that know Roberts Rules of Order very well. Hopefully the GOP establishment will not try anything shady.
I wonder if I should wear a sweater vest in an attempt to get extra votes from Santorum supporters. :banana_sml:
The local Ron Paul group met up yesterday for some final pre-convention organization. We have our slate of delegates picked and some supporters that know Roberts Rules of Order very well. Hopefully the GOP establishment will not try anything shady.
I wonder if I should wear a sweater vest in an attempt to get extra votes from Santorum supporters. :banana_sml:
Interesting - keep us posted on how everything works out on that. I would expect the GOP establishment to play dirty.
Awesome, Best of luck! And Yep, the sweater vest sounds like a great idea.
Be sure to read up on the latest Tactics that the GOP has tried to use on the MO Caucuses here: (Serious eye-opener!)
Latest Anti-Paul Tactics from Missouri. What you're up against as a voter! | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Ron Paul 2012
And be sure to bring a cameraphone! -There's even an app now that lets your camera keep recording in stealth mode with the screen turned off... I'd download that before I went too.
The convention was not too bad. The establishment chair acted fairly in my opinion and nobody was ignored. Nobody said a word about cameras or video.
They split us up into 4 "quadrants" for delegate voting which screwed us up a little bit because the people on our slate were not spread evenly through the 4 divided areas. They said the split was because one active and more populated area would take most of the the delegates spots at previous conventions, leaving some less populated parts of the district with nobody representing them. Each quadrant was given a percentage of the total delegate spots to fill depending on the population.
The GOP establishment knew the exact 4 quadrant boundaries ahead of time, made a slate of their people for each, and passed them out to everyone as we entered the 4 separate rooms to hear speeches and vote for delegates.
We still ended up filling 22 out of 46 delegate spots, 33 alternate spots, and 4 local GOP Officer positions.
The convention started at 7pm, I volunteered as a teller (vote counter) and was there until almost 1am counting votes and making sure no fraud was going on in the counting room.
The Ron Paul campaign said this is a tough establishment district, so they were happy with the results. If other districts keep getting at least close to 50% or better we should be in good shape with a majority at the next convention.
The convention was not too bad. The establishment chair acted fairly in my opinion and nobody was ignored. Nobody said a word about cameras or video.
They split us up into 4 "quadrants" for delegate voting which screwed us up a little bit because the people on our slate were not spread evenly through the 4 divided areas. They said the split was because one active and more populated area would take most of the the delegates spots at previous conventions, leaving some less populated parts of the district with nobody representing them. Each quadrant was given a percentage of the total delegate spots to fill depending on the population.
The GOP establishment knew the exact 4 quadrant boundaries ahead of time, made a slate of their people for each, and passed them out to everyone as we entered the 4 separate rooms to hear speeches and vote for delegates.
We still ended up filling 22 out of 46 delegate spots, 33 alternate spots, and 4 local GOP Officer positions.
The convention started at 7pm, I volunteered as a teller (vote counter) and was there until almost 1am counting votes and making sure no fraud was going on in the counting room.
The Ron Paul campaign said this is a tough establishment district, so they were happy with the results. If other districts keep getting at least close to 50% or better we should be in good shape with a majority at the next convention.
Very cool - thanks for the update.