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In a bitching mode today...

I have reseller account with them split across 8 accounts. It came to my attention today they no longer allow just $2 dedicated IP per month. Each dedicated IP now needs to attach to a unique SSL certificate, which is $50 per year. If i'm getting 8 dedicated IPs, this is $400 per year plus $16 per month on the cost of dedicated IP? An alternative would be getting a multi-domains SSL which is equally expensive. This is ridiculous.

Anyone got a good solution to this?
 


Subscribed. I might want to buy more IPs in the future so this new rule of theirs blows donkey dick.

Anyone know a way to get another IPv4 on HG specifically?
 
Welcome to the new industry standard. By this time next year the only IPs you'll be getting without justification will be blacklisted IPs. A lot of datacenters have started doing IP inventories every 1-3 months and hosts who don't follow justification rules are losing IP blocks.
 
subigo said:
Welcome to the new industry standard. By this time next year the only IPs you'll be getting without justification will be blacklisted IPs. A lot of datacenters have started doing IP inventories every 1-3 months and hosts who don't follow justification rules are losing IP blocks.
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So does this mean pull out from big brand land? And go underground with these smaller SEO hosting companies popping up everywhere? Or is everyone tied down into these SSL certificates?
 
ever heard of Nexcess hosting? I have magento hosting with them and they seem excellent. I wonder how well they do with wordpress or other hosting. Their reseller account seems to be able to do $2.5 per IP. Thoughts?
 
SSL certs are $2. Hostgator is for nubs. If $400 a year in expenses erodes a big chunk of your profit margin, you might want to pursue a slightly more lucrative endeavour, or move immediately to Thailand.
 
JCash said:
SSL certs are $2. Hostgator is for nubs. If $400 a year in expenses erodes a big chunk of your profit margin, you might want to pursue a slightly more lucrative endeavour, or move immediately to Thailand.
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When we're in STS I welcome your funny attempt at trolling every time.

But when we're out here in H&D land, comments like this just get in the way, jcash. You don't know the advantages that HG reseller accounts have historically offered to us adsense farmers who do everything in bulk... If $400 a year extra starts popping up PER SERVER, then yeah, that's quite an unnecessary, new overhead.

...Not to mention I'd still have to pay it in Thailand. :glowingeyes_sml:
 
lukep said:
When we're in STS I welcome your funny attempt at trolling every time.

But when we're out here in H&D land, comments like this just get in the way, jcash. You don't know the advantages that HG reseller accounts have historically offered to us adsense farmers who do everything in bulk... If $400 a year extra starts popping up PER SERVER, then yeah, that's quite an unnecessary, new overhead.

...Not to mention I'd still have to pay it in Thailand. :glowingeyes_sml:
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So you think there's something you can do via a control panel with the Softlayer server HG's reselling that I can't do with my Softlayer dedi?
 
JCash said:
So you think there's something you can do via a control panel with the Softlayer server HG's reselling that I can't do with my Softlayer dedi?
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No, but I think there is an efficiency of scale using reseller accounts over using any dedi's at all.
 
$400 per server. 10 servers would be $4000.
Also, I wonder if it's 1 ssl certificate Per domain or 1 ssl certificate per hosting account/IP (which contains multiple domains).

1 certificate per domain would be fucking ridiculous.
 
lukep said:
No, but I think there is an efficiency of scale using reseller accounts over using any dedi's at all.
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If I were trolling I'd say "you're a communist so you think like Proudhon that ownership of a server is theft." But in the past I've had HG reseller hosting (for reselling, not SEO purposes) and can't imagine anything control panel-based scaling well.
 
JCash said:
{I} can't imagine anything control panel-based scaling well.
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You can't imagine a lot, bro.

We use them this way because when you buy a VPS or Dedi you have to pay for the RAM and CPU... Meanwhile reseller accounts don't really have such restrictions and when your job is to cram as many sites as possible onto your host, clearly that's the way to go. CPU usage on even expensive VPSs & dedis I've tried in the past couldn't handle my current load of sites. They'd buckle every time. It always seems to be the CPU that is the tightest bottleneck.

Now it is starting to look like IPs and these Certs may become a second bottleneck to worry about. FVCK. I really need to start googling about this shit.
 
lukep said:
You can't imagine a lot, bro.

We use them this way because when you buy a VPS or Dedi you have to pay for the RAM and CPU... Meanwhile reseller accounts don't really have such restrictions and when your job is to cram as many sites as possible onto your host, clearly that's the way to go. CPU usage on even expensive VPSs & dedis I've tried in the past couldn't handle my current load of sites. They'd buckle every time. It always seems to be the CPU that is the tightest bottleneck.

Now it is starting to look like IPs and these Certs may become a second bottleneck to worry about. FVCK. I really need to start googling about this shit.
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So HG doesn't have to pay for RAM or CPU's when they buy dedis from Softlayer to host their reseller accounts?
 
JCash is right.

Cheaper reseller hosts are not the right answer.

You don't need a dedi to do your Herman Cain fan club link farms though.

Get a VPS and buy IPs.

Many shared hosts are shady and will definitely mess your stuff

You also deal with braindead morons at shared hosting companies when you speak to them about this stuff.
 
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. Try running 1100 WP blogs first and then you can tell me which type of hosting I need.

And yeah, the support is braindead... No argument there. But I'd rather have a braindead host I can run 1100 blogs on than a brainy host that I can't.
 
lukep said:
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. Try running 1100 WP blogs first and then you can tell me which type of hosting I need.

And yeah, the support is braindead... No argument there. But I'd rather have a braindead host I can run 1100 blogs on than a brainy host that I can't.
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I did that back in 2006/2007 with VPS. IPs are the issue here. To get cheaper IPs, getting a VPS with cheap IPs is the best pick.
Shared hosts aren't that fleixble
 
than_west said:
I did that back in 2006/2007 with VPS. IPs are the issue here. To get cheaper IPs, getting a VPS with cheap IPs is the best pick.
Shared hosts aren't that fleixble
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Different ppl set up different numbers of IPs they'd like; It's a strategy thing... In fact I have quite a few reseller accounts using 1 IP address each for the whole account. Settling for a VPS for that purpose is insane.

Today, however, it looks like the $50 Cert fee might change up too much. Still waiting for someone to mention a way around that.


JCash said:
You realize 1k blogs is basically nothing on an mu setup?
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Yeah, and do you realize that you should never fart around open flames? What of it?
 
this thread reminds me of when my mom and dad used to fight all the time before I had to go live with my grandma for a little while and when I came back for school my dad had a new apartment and he didnt live with us anymore and my mom said it wasn't my fault but I always thought it was and then my dad got a new girlfriend and he said that she wasn't my new mom but then they got married and I cried in the bathroom the whole time
 
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I've been using shared accounts on different hosting accounts (I average 50 sites per hosting) and never worry about that IP shit. Call me a fucking noob if you like but the cost and actual hosting requirements are quite ok for me and with guaranteed IP diversity.
 
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