Birther Revival
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What would it take to convince you that it was a real birth certificate? This is why he should have never shown it in the first place, you're always going to find some flaw with it and turn it into some conspiracy theory anyway.
I looked at my birth certificate (Admittedly it's Australian, so not really comparable) and it's all sorts of fucked up, stamp is all over the place and smudges everywhere.
I'll answer your question because I asked you one as well, for me to believe it was faked I'd need to hear a coherent argument as to why it would be faked. Let's look at this quote from above:
Now let's assume there is some giant conspiracy and the CIA/MIC and all the bigshots are involved, surely they can fake a birth certificate? And if they can't, why would they select a candidate that needed one faked in the first place?
I just don't believe that this super elite is going to risk themselves with this type of scandal when it could have been easily avoided if they have the power you're hinting they do.
I'm sure the US govt hides a shit load from all of us and it's good to be continually questioning their actions but at some stage you need to surely let things go, chill out and have a cup of tea.
I looked at my birth certificate (Admittedly it's Australian, so not really comparable) and it's all sorts of fucked up, stamp is all over the place and smudges everywhere.
I'll answer your question because I asked you one as well, for me to believe it was faked I'd need to hear a coherent argument as to why it would be faked. Let's look at this quote from above:
Now let's assume there is some giant conspiracy and the CIA/MIC and all the bigshots are involved, surely they can fake a birth certificate? And if they can't, why would they select a candidate that needed one faked in the first place?
I just don't believe that this super elite is going to risk themselves with this type of scandal when it could have been easily avoided if they have the power you're hinting they do.
I'm sure the US govt hides a shit load from all of us and it's good to be continually questioning their actions but at some stage you need to surely let things go, chill out and have a cup of tea.
Ummm, no... it's the fact the state of Hawaii has confirmed his birth, both short & long form copies have been released, he has photos of himself as a kid in Hawaii, and so on.
I mean, what else would you like to see happen?
Saying a image program picked apart a PDF file, and turned it into layers isn't exactly very good proof. That's what image analyzing programs do. Break shit into layers.
I'm wondering what the birthers actually think would happen if they were somehow proven right. I don't hear this talked about very much, but I suspect they believe that if Obama is not entitled to hold the office of the President, then the entire country gets a big fucking do-over. Maybe they'd just like to see him prosecuted for treason...either way, it's a backward kind of vindictiveness, and if they had spent 1/8 the time they spent trying to prove Obama is not an American citizen on trying to find an American citizen who could reasonably oppose him in 2012, they might have had a chance at fielding a candidate who stood a chance at winning the election.
Yep. this.
My birth certificate (fuck it, this is GERMAN, we are talking major bureaucracy here) is from the 70s. Smudges, creases, illegible handwriting, the fucking works.
For the birthers, I'd probably be deported to Poland or somesuch.
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Kinda like when people avoid the "I may be racist" thoughts by playing the "white guilt" card.
With regards to the birther shit. WHO FUCKING CARES. There are way more alarming things about his presidential legacy that really don't include his color or his place of birth.
The Republican Party has much better candidates, they're just saving them for 2016 because they knew Obama would get reelected so they figured why bother wasting the talent. Plus, it gets Romney and Ron Paul out of their hair. That's what's so awesome about political parties, you get to make them more important than the welfare of the country.
That's true, we just need our more liberal brothers and sisters to start realizing this. You see it now because you hang out here with us retards, but most don't.
Suppose the presented birth certificate is fake. Suppose further it is proven that Obama is not a citizen. What would be your solution to the matter?
Should Obama be dethroned? Should Biden replace him? Should an interim POTUS be installed until the next election?
More to the point, is it preferable to install another tyrant? If so, why?
These are serious questions, if only to ponder.
Should Obama be dethroned? Should Biden replace him? Should an interim POTUS be installed until the next election?
More to the point, is it preferable to install another tyrant? If so, why?
These are serious questions, if only to ponder.
Of course he's done other shit that is horrible, but here's why I think it's important:
If it's proven in court that his presidency is invalid then it also invalidates a lot of the other BS that sheeple refuse to accept. In other words, it's a mass wakeup call. The more people that are awake, the more likely we are to get someone like RP in in office.
It doesn't matter. His supporters will support him regardless, and his detractors will still despise him. The average American doesn't give a shit about that clause in the Constitution. The average American doesn't care about NDAA or NDRP - why would they care about that? All it does is give people an opportunity to paint any Obama detractors as nutjobs and racists.
There are hardcore Obama supporters that would defend him if he decided to drop a nuke on NYC, but there are also moderates that supported him because they honestly thought he was a different kind of president. Now obviously, thinking people just look at his senate voting record and recognize what slime bag he is, but most people don't think. But even if only a couple of million more people finally wake up because they realize this whole system is a sham, then it's been an effective tool IMO and worth pursuing.
As a conservative I personally think we should stay away from the birther stuff. Yes it looks suspicious and covered up, but so do a lot of things in his past. It's way too late to dwell on that stuff now. He's president already, and working on getting elected for a second term.
We should be focusing our efforts on the crazy things he's doing as president. If the Supreme Court overturns Obama care this week - then we have judicial evidence that supports what we've been claiming all along - and it is that Obama has been bypassing the constitution in an effort to enforce his progressive will on America. And then we can only hope that this Country will not elect a President that does not choose to stay within the bounds of the constitution.
We should be focusing our efforts on the crazy things he's doing as president. If the Supreme Court overturns Obama care this week - then we have judicial evidence that supports what we've been claiming all along - and it is that Obama has been bypassing the constitution in an effort to enforce his progressive will on America. And then we can only hope that this Country will not elect a President that does not choose to stay within the bounds of the constitution.
A quick thought experiment.
What if there was no such thing as a President? What if Obama is just playing a role, previously played by Bush Jr, Clinton etc?
What if he doesn't actually do anything except make speeches and appearances?
What if the power he wields doesn't come from his office or democratic authority, but from your own belief in a system that isn't really there?
food for thot.
What if there was no such thing as a President? What if Obama is just playing a role, previously played by Bush Jr, Clinton etc?
What if he doesn't actually do anything except make speeches and appearances?
What if the power he wields doesn't come from his office or democratic authority, but from your own belief in a system that isn't really there?
food for thot.
^^^^^This is absolute truth...no what ifs. I have seen behind the curtain and guess what, you can too!
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Don't mean to derail your thread Luke, but this shit is important for people to be exposed to.
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Just a heads up, I lose my birth certificates all the time.. so I don't even have an original one. I buy replacements through a company online. I'm sure they print them a lot different then when I was born in 1989. This could be why Obama's birth certificate could be off when compared to originals.
Just a tht.
Just a tht.
Thot is when my gay friends in Denver don't say good morning to Grindstone and me on Skype.