Physicist finds computer code embedded in the equations of how universe works

sigh...i love it when non-physicists debate such concepts. i guess you've never heard of the 2nd law of thermodynamics
Are you making the newbie mistake here of assuming that time stops at the end of the big crunch or big fizzle?

You don't have to be a physicist to know that we are in one universe, and since this one went bang at the beginning, there could be many more, say, Infinite more, going bang after this one is done.

So yes, absolutely everything Imaginable WILL happen at some point in time. You will exist as an arsenic-based life form. The moon WILL be made out of green cheese. The jolly green giant WILL have a 3-headed love child with Spock, concieving it on every single square inch of every planet that will ever exist... It's impossible for these not to happen given infinity.
 


lol no its not

i guess it depends on what you would consider a "VERY" long way away?

we may only be there by about 0.10% by some estimates, but if we estimate according to moore's law, we will be there in about 18-20 years.

Moore's law obviously isn't going to hold up for any longer than 5-10 years *MAX*. Look it up, and don't fucking argue with me either. My OS teacher bitched at us for half an hour about his dissertation that basically was a "groundbreaking" way to estimate when moore's law will essentially cease to be in effect. It is by no means a law.

Look up the heat wall for modern day transistors.

If you really knew how hopeless of a task designing AI was then this wouldn't even be a debate. I doubt that it's even possible to create an intelligence that is equal to that of a monkey, let alone a human. We are simply not smart enough (currently anyway, who knows, maybe it is within the realm of human ingenuity, i'm casting my vote that it's not though).
 
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it's not logically sound to say that if something could be possible at some point in the future, then it probably already exists somewhere now. Even if time and space is infinite, that doesn't mean all possible things all of a sudden exist simultaneously. There is still a timeline, even in an infinite amount of time, that is the nature of time itself.

Sorry but you're wrong here. In an infinitely large universe, the probability of anything happening is always 1. probability dictates that anything you can think of definitely exists somewhere, it also means, when you go far enough, there is another exact copy of YOU somewhere in the universe.

...it's not logically sound to say that if something could be possible...
That's the thing. When you start dealing with the concept of an infinitely large universe, its hard to say what is "logically sound".
 
Are you making the newbie mistake here of assuming that time stops at the end of the big crunch or big fizzle?

You don't have to be a physicist to know that we are in one universe, and since this one went bang at the beginning, there could be many more, say, Infinite more, going bang after this one is done.

So yes, absolutely everything Imaginable WILL happen at some point in time. You will exist as an arsenic-based life form. The moon WILL be made out of green cheese. The jolly green giant WILL have a 3-headed love child with Spock, concieving it on every single square inch of every planet that will ever exist... It's impossible for these not to happen given infinity.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this is within the realm of *physical* possibility within the four given dimensions. As far as we know, there are only four primary forces, and every universe must organize itself in a way that distributes these in a given manner. In many (read, 99.999% of universes), the forces would be so disproportional that it would be impossible for atoms to form, let alone life. Now, even if we find more elementary forces and particles, it would still hold true.

Harry Potter will never exist in the flesh, sorry champ. Not unless we find some type of force that would bring the existence of "magic" to the realm of physical 4 dimensional reality.

Personally, I know for a fact that there are undiscovered forces out there simply due to the overwhelming evidence for life after death, etc... Nothing magical about that at all, it's just part of what we call the Bulk (the multiverse) with all its glorious dimensions. Lastly, the fact that relativity and quantum physics disagree on a very fundamental level (and have resulted in the massive uprising of exotic explanations like string theory) makes me feel like i'm on the right track.

By the way, they should call it string hypothesis, not string theory. It's completely experimentally unproven and is only mathematically sound. Obviously not all mathematical artifacts can exist in reality so I'm not sure why so much emphasis is placed on it.
 
Look at you weaklings attempting to come to understanding with your little symbols called words and your closed and self-referencing systems of logic and reason

You are No-thing in the face of the Infinite, but indeed, You are a necessary part of it, for if it did not include even your own feeble human frailty, it would not be Infinite


Indeed, indeed.
 
Nothing makes sense at all.

Smoked salvia for the first time last week. Everything starting melting from one side to the other and made me think about how we are 70% water and there is no new water on the planet it's all the same recycled water. All of us will eventually go back into the earth and recycle. Thinking about how far each droplet of water in my water must have traveled over millions of years to finally end up there.

With that being said

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Look at you weaklings attempting to come to understanding with your little symbols called words and your closed and self-referencing systems of logic and reason

You are No-thing in the face of the Infinite, but indeed, You are a necessary part of it, for if it did not include even your own feeble human frailty, it would not be Infinite


Indeed, indeed.

Oh please, spare me the bullshit. Human beings are fucking studs. We are awesome. Damn we're so fucking smart, it never ceases to amaze me. Imagine, stuck in the middle of fucking space (no where), on a rock with no assistance we managed to survive the jungle and brought ourselves up to the scientific age. We are able to see what is happening across the other side of the universe despite our limitations.

We have an understanding of some of the most fundamental forces in the universe and can manipulate them. I can talk to people thousands of miles away virtually instantaneously. If that isn't a miracle, god damn magic, then what is? Damn guys, if we aren't the shit then I don't know WHO the fuck is. I can't even imagine how astronomically rare we must be.

Damn I'm happy to be alive!!
 
Oh please, spare me the bullshit. Human beings are fucking studs. We are awesome. Damn we're so fucking smart, it never ceases to amaze me. Imagine, stuck in the middle of fucking space (no where), on a rock with no assistance we managed to survive the jungle and brought ourselves up to the scientific age. We are able to see what is happening across the other side of the universe despite our limitations.

We have an understanding of some of the most fundamental forces in the universe and can manipulate them. I can talk to people thousands of miles away virtually instantaneously. If that isn't a miracle, god damn magic, then what is? Damn guys, if we aren't the shit then I don't know WHO the fuck is. I can't even imagine how astronomically rare we must be.

Damn I'm happy to be alive!!


You obviously live in a fucking bubble.
 
Nothing makes sense at all.

Smoked salvia for the first time last week. Everything starting melting from one side to the other and made me think about how we are 70% water and there is no new water on the planet it's all the same recycled water. All of us will eventually go back into the earth and recycle. Thinking about how far each droplet of water in my water must have traveled over millions of years to finally end up there.

With that being said

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7bvUpCb7wE"]Salvia Man - YouTube[/ame]


(Pewep is this you? ^ )
 
Moore's law obviously isn't going to hold up for any longer than 5-10 years *MAX*. Look it up,

The only limitation we're going to see with computing speed is the amount of energy needed to run that kind of processing power.

We have new technologies on the horizon that will blow away what we have now. For example, quantum computers.

We'll see limits no doubt, but those limits will be well beyond what is needed for simulated human intelligence, or even universe simulations.

and don't fucking argue with me either. My OS teacher bitched at us for half an hour about his dissertation that basically was a "groundbreaking" way to estimate when moore's law will essentially cease to be in effect. It is by no means a law.

Whoa Mr. Badass, bring your teacher into this thread and I'll run circles around the both of yas.

If you really knew how hopeless of a task designing AI was then this wouldn't even be a debate.

If you knew what I've spent most my time doing the past 20 years, this certainly wouldn't be a debate. That's what makes this fun.

I doubt that it's even possible to create an intelligence that is equal to that of a monkey, let alone a human. We are simply not smart enough (currently anyway, who knows, maybe it is within the realm of human ingenuity, i'm casting my vote that it's not though).

We're getting there, the hurdle isn't about knowing *how* to do it. The only thing stopping us is a lack of processing power, which is again, inevitable.
 
This theory is actually not so new, nor ground breaking. As a matter of fact the Yoruba peoples of Western Africa (what is today known as Nigeria - yes the peeps with all that money they want to share with you) have an entire cosmology built off these principals and a system of divination that uses binary code to commune with the universe. This religion is called "Ifa".

Ifa (both a religion and an actual deity) uses a set of 16 Ikine or palm nuts to output binary code in the form of "I" or "II"... just as is used in electrical schematics to represent "1" or "0" , aka on or off aka + or -. These backward Africans, as many are want to label them, have been knowing about this stuff for CENTURIES! This religion made its way to the proverbial "New World" via the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and is commonly referred to as "Santeria" by the Main Stream Media, but more properly termed "Lukumi".

For a more scientific/physics related comparison and explanation see: Philo Physics Banned By Cornell
 
Sorry but you're wrong here. In an infinitely large universe, the probability of anything happening is always 1. probability dictates that anything you can think of definitely exists somewhere, it also means, when you go far enough, there is another exact copy of YOU somewhere in the universe.

That's the thing. When you start dealing with the concept of an infinitely large universe, its hard to say what is "logically sound".

No.

What I was saying is that while the probability in an infinite timeline of anything happening is 1 (I agree with you), it does not mean that all things possible all exist at the same time. Even on an infinite timeline, there is still a past, present, and future, and things can exist before other things and after others without any overlap. IE humans never existed with dinosaurs.

Also, as the probability in an infinite universe of me existing is 1, that does not mean there's an exact copy of me somewhere else in the universe. It just means that I exist, it doesn't mean there's two of me.

EDIT: I retract my second statement after rereading it (it's highlighted).
 
Nothing makes sense at all.

Smoked salvia for the first time last week. Everything starting melting from one side to the other and made me think about how we are 70% water and there is no new water on the planet it's all the same recycled water. All of us will eventually go back into the earth and recycle. Thinking about how far each droplet of water in my water must have traveled over millions of years to finally end up there.

Your "revelation" certainly meshes with the "cyclical" view of life held by many cultures... rather profound stuff! ... cyclical:1bluewinky:
 
The only limitation we're going to see with computing speed is the amount of energy needed to run that kind of processing power.

We have new technologies on the horizon that will blow away what we have now. For example, quantum computers.

We'll see limits no doubt, but those limits will be well beyond what is needed for simulated human intelligence, or even universe simulations.



Whoa Mr. Badass, bring your teacher into this thread and I'll run circles around the both of yas.



If you knew what I've spent most my time doing the past 20 years, this certainly wouldn't be a debate. That's what makes this fun.



We're getting there, the hurdle isn't about knowing *how* to do it. The only thing stopping us is a lack of processing power, which is again, inevitable.

Well, you clearly didn't look up what I recommended so I'll go ahead and elucidate you.

Take a transistor (we're going to call it Bob). Bob has 1 million cousins and they all live in a little tiny island. Bob takes in electricity and a portion of that current goes through him and comes out of a different path (maybe, it depends on Bob's work). The problem is that not all of the electricity going in comes out, some of that energy is converted into heat, by way of the 2nd law of thermodynamics - which states that the sum total amount of usable energy in the universe goes down when any work is done in a system. Period.

So take Bob and his millions of cousins, aunts, uncles and brothers and squeeze them down further on a tinier island then multiply them. Now they can do more work faster, but unfortunately Bob is starting to feel a little hot.

Squeeze them down more, more and MORE. Run more current and more current through them.

Guess what you're going to get - Bob will be doing so much alongside his transistor family that he'll fry himself to death in milliseconds (depending on what material he's made out of). Currently, we don't know what material we can make bob out of to make him live longer. Therefore, since approximately 2004, if you noticed, computer speed hasn't really gone up significantly. What they did was introduce multi-core scheduling to handle how different processes can be efficiently and quickly managed and appear to be "faster". In reality if you were only running 1 process, computers form 6 years ago were just as fast as computers today. The easiest scheduling algorithm to date is the MLFQ: Multilevel feedback queue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are the very basics of the Heat Wall. We're literally running against fundamental physical laws that prevent us from going any faster without better cooling (which is impossible unless you spend millions of dollars to build a state of the art nitrogen cooled super computer). Try to mass produce those bud, I dare ya. There are also other problems with multiple cores, such as Dark Silicon but STS is no place for that kind of discussion.

Love this shit: ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu/pub/dburger/papers/ISCA11.pdf

Key point:

Since 2005, processor designers have increased core counts to exploit
Moore’s Law scaling, rather than focusing on single-core performance.
The failure of Dennard scaling, to which the shift to multicore
parts is partially a response, may soon limit multicore scaling
just as single-core scaling has been curtailed.