The failure behind the failure

^^^ You are thinking like a niche-marketer not a mass marketer. Niche marketers only focus on their particular niche and are content that their upside is restricted by the size of their segment of the market.

You can't win the presidency as a niche-marketer you need a broad coalition. African Americans and Hispanics are 13.1% and 16.7% respectively. Not nearly enough to deliver victory. Obama had to win votes from people who didn't share his race. Romney didn't really reach out beyond his niche and lost.
 


Obama understands mass-marketing and logistics, that's why he won - and he has that in common with the people who sell washing-powder and coca-cola. Could he run Proctor & Gamble or Coca-Cola given his proven skills in those areas? Probably if he decided to go down that route. The fact that he's decided to apply those skills to politics instead is neither here nor there. And yes, winning the presidency twice means he has proven skills in mass-marketing and logistics.

Don't dismiss his skills - if it was that "easy" to win the Presidency then surely Romney would have won, right?

Don't blame the voters/customers because you have failed to sell them something. It's your fault.

So would you hire JayZ to run Coca Cola?

Being able to sell yourself does not mean you can run a multi billion enterprise that doesn't center solely on you and your image.
 
So would you hire JayZ to run Coca Cola?

Being able to sell yourself does not mean you can run a multi billion enterprise that doesn't center solely on you and your image.

Who said anything about JayZ?

If you look at my previous post I said "Obama understands mass-marketing and logistics"

What part of the ground-game of "identify your voter and get him to the polls" is different to how large consumer companies identify their customers and get them to the tills? After they've mass-marketed and sold an idea to them?

And why in your opinion did Romney fail so badly at this?
 
Who said anything about JayZ?

If you look at my previous post I said "Obama understands mass-marketing and logistics"

What part of the ground-game of "identify your voter and get him to the polls" is different to how large consumer companies identify their customers and get them to the tills? After they've mass-marketed and sold an idea to them?

And why in your opinion did Romney fail so badly at this?

Running a company is far more than an exercise in marketing.
 
If the republicans wanted an upset they should of brought someone decent to the table. Some out-of-touch gazillionaire who fucked up his own state and makes money off of closing US companies. Oh and he is a fucking MORMON, the mother of all crazy ass made up religions.

Half the country voted for Romney just because he wasn't Obama. Imagine if they had brought a decent candidate?

And this:
And maybe stop alienating everyone that isn't a white male.
 
Rather what's taking center stage is issues like gay marriage, marijuana, the going green fad, and all this trivial shit.

Yeah, and I bet that the romans, between pedophile bathroom orgies, were debating similar things while the barbarians stood at the gates.

Immigration is forever going to change the voting demographic of the west and it is going to lead to the downfall of the western meritocracy states.

The end of the American empire is real and you're living it. Next up is defragmentation and city states, but we're probably going to have some nice semi-civil war first in Europe.
 
Running a company is far more than an exercise in marketing.

No it's also about LOGISTICS (sorry for the caps, but you obviously missed my previous italics!)

It occurs to me that you are arguing about this because you don't have any experience in the ground-game of politics and how it is similar to the ground-game in business.

I've helped in some elections before, and I can tell you that the "marketing" part of positioning etc is pretty much set about a year before election. From then on, the people on the ground literally go door to door canvassing. They arn't really trying to covert anyone, but trying to identify where their supporters live. All this goes into a database. As the election approaches, deliveries of flyers tend to be only to your own supporters (it's a waste bothering to leaflet those who don't support you, especially as all of this is done by volunteers on their Sunday afternoons). On election day, you "knock-up" all those who you've identified and if necessary drive them to the polling station.

It's all a massive logistical exercise that goes on throughout the country.

It's not that different to how consumer corps will send coupons only to their targetted customers, or will advertise in the SERPs only for certain keywords and not do a scatter-gun approach.

The process is similar - mass-market an idea - then identify the people are receptive to the idea. Then do targetted reinforcement advertising (the leaftets), then finally get them to the ballot boxes. You need the marketing AND the organisational and logistical skills.

Romney failed on several counts - his mass-marketing wasn't broad enough. And his ground game wasn't as efficient and effective as Obamas. What can I say? He's an asset-stripper and his skill-set was wrong for the job.
 
Also, being seen as part of the religious haterade brigade isn't helping. No sane man wants religious cult leaders to call the shots, whether they're christian or muslim. Let it go. Women are going to get abortions whether legal or not. It's much more of a cultural norm issue than a legal one. If you want women to be more pious, stop marrying reformed bar sluts.
 
LOL can't believe the stupidity in your post. Do some more research before you go spoutin' off ignorant bullshit.

You guys would be lucky to to adopt some Canadian and European principles.

Looks like the Republicans successfully brainwashed another American though...

Ask an Albertan who he/she thinks pulls the most weight in Canada.
 
G, the problem is Canadians are too nice (outside of hockey riots.) No one takes them seriously.

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Without a product everything else is a mute point.

Without a lot of things everything else is a mute point.

Actually the product doesn't matter. With proper marketing even the worst products can be sold. Nothing happens until something is sold. Nobody gets paid until something gets sold.

With the proper strategy any product/person can be marketed successfully to the masses.


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that was my bad. I knew it was wrong when I wrote it, but chrome's spell check isn't worth a pinch of shit so I went with it.
 
Oh and he is a fucking MORMON, the mother of all crazy ass made up religions.

Scientology has the Mormons beat hands-down for that title.

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People have become dumbed-down consumers. The perfect customer, the ideal audience.

Perfect. Let's quit acting like little beta faggots and sell these morons shit they don't need at prices they can't afford.
 
Actually the product doesn't matter. With proper marketing even the worst products can be sold. Nothing happens until something is sold. Nobody gets paid until something gets sold.

With the proper strategy any product/person can be marketed successfully to the masses.

This. And it's especially true of the mass consumer product companies. Soap technology hasn't really changed in it's basics for centuries. What's in soap brand box A is only marginally different to what is in soap brand box B - the perceived differences are suggested to the potential buyer by marketing that pushes their cultural buttons, and once they've taken the bait, it's reinforced by targeted coupons and the like.

That's why presidential elections are more similar to mass consumer product marketing than any other business model (such as tech companies where innovating products is everything, or niche companies like ferarri where they don't really care what 99% of people think, or asset stripping companies like Bain Capital where neither product nor marketing is important it's about financial engineering).

I think people are resisting this idea because they hate the thought that Obama has something in common with Proctor and Gamble - but he does.
 
I think the biggest mistake many people are making, is trying to apply a rational analysis to a fundamentally irrational situation.

Grindstone has a point. Get back to work.

Ask an Albertan who he/she thinks pulls the most weight in Canada.
Having been an Albertan, and doing business all over the country, I don't think you understand Canadian culture at all.