Ron Paul and Austrian Economics

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Ron Paul speaking at the 2012 Mises Institute Supporters Summit.

A lot of people don't realize, Ron Paul is one of the key backers of the Mises Institute, an organization that promotes Austrian economics, and libertarian philosophy.

In fact, Austrian Economics is what compelled Ron Paul to first run for office. His desire to speak out about the economic stupidity of Nixon closing the gold exchange window in 1971.

A lot of people mistake Paul for a conservative. He played one in Congress. In the below video, you can see how strongly he feels about peace, and he even hints at his anarchistic sympathies, despite still talking a lot about government. I suppose the downside of him running for office for basically 5 years, is that he will need some time to deprogram.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXrnb6_wLg]War, Politics, and the Future of Peace | Ron Paul - YouTube[/ame]


While I don't believe in political solutions, Paul was the person who lead me to LewRockwell.com that lead me to Mises.org, which lead me to Voluntarism, Lysander Spooner, Samuel Edward Konkin, Bastiat, Marc Stevens, etc. He might be the single most important person in the evolution of economics and social theory (as a promoter) in the last 50 years. His work, and the work he might yet do, will send ripples forward into the future for generations.

May we all aspire to have such a positive impact on the world.

Make sure you bump this thread if you watch the video.
 


guerilla said:
Make sure you bump this thread if you watch the video.
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So over the last few years your opinions and understanding of economics and politics have changed greatly as you've been exposed to other thought, yet you argue with everyone that has a differing opinion as if you have all the answers. How ironic.
 
WickedJoe said:
Eyebrows too bushy.. 2/10 would not vote.
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Lets not even get started on how his suite is slightly loose fitting and can't even compete with Romney's perfect form, I think we've already had an entire thread dedicated to that.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
So over the last few years your opinions and understanding of economics and politics have changed greatly as you've been exposed to other thought, yet you argue with everyone that has a differing opinion as if you have all the answers. How ironic.
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I have never claimed to have all of the answers.

When I found Ron Paul, I was doing marketing research, with zero interest in politics, economics or philosophy. I was an anarchist 7 months later after being exposed to such thought for the first time. It took about 3 weeks until I got it. Maybe less. I didn't have a fraction of the help or tolerance people curious about anarchism find here when they approach me.

It's a shame you would use this thread commemorating Ron Paul to try to score points, but then that's the thing about class. You either have it or you don't.
 
guerilla said:
I have never claimed to have all of the answers.
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Perhaps, but you come across as if you think you do. And don't talk to me about class, your name calling and general douchebaggery around here are legendary.

But that's ok, I made the comment to point out that nobody has all the answers and we all continue to learn and modify our positions and beliefs as life goes on. Just as we can look back on ourselves of 5-10 years ago and laugh at how little we knew, our future selves will undoubtedly look back on our present selves with that same feeling. None of us are as smart as we think we are, nor as wise as we will be.

Perhaps we should ALL keep that in mind when we argue over shit. That's all.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Perhaps, but you come across as if you think you do. And don't talk to me about class, your name calling and general douchebaggery around here are legendary.

But that's ok, I made the comment to point out that nobody has all the answers and we all continue to learn and modify our positions and beliefs as life goes on. Just as we can look back on ourselves of 5-10 years ago and laugh at how little we knew, our future selves will undoubtedly look back on our present selves with that same feeling. None of us are as smart as we think we are, nor as wise as we will be.

Perhaps we should ALL keep that in mind when we argue over shit. That's all.
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There's a huge difference in being critical to ideas and not being open for new ideas. Critically assessing ideas does not mean to oppose them. A critical person is characterized by his careful evaluation and judgement and by his calling attention to flaws. guerilla is a critical person. There's no need to always express one's openess for other ideas to the other party one's discussing with. By guerilla's critical mind, he's always on the lookout for flaws and bad judgement calls. Therefore, you can safely assume that he has scrutinized the ideas he supports as much as he scrutinizes the ideas that others suggest. Do not misinterpret reasoning, logical and critical thinking with an attitude that one thinks one's always right and claims to have all answers.

There's a difference in not being open for input and critically reviewing the input you receive.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Perhaps, but you come across as if you think you do. And don't talk to me about class, your name calling and general douchebaggery around here are legendary.

But that's ok, I made the comment to point out that nobody has all the answers and we all continue to learn and modify our positions and beliefs as life goes on. Just as we can look back on ourselves of 5-10 years ago and laugh at how little we knew, our future selves will undoubtedly look back on our present selves with that same feeling. None of us are as smart as we think we are, nor as wise as we will be.

Perhaps we should ALL keep that in mind when we argue over shit. That's all.
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Wow!

Here's the deal, anarchism says that we don't have all the answers. But that freedom of the individual is the most important kind of freedom we can have, and that is correct. It's interesting that you would bother to argue that we don't have all the answers and then bother to argue at all.

What kind of stupid are you that you would bother to engage with an argument without arguing rather voicing concern about how the argument was made? Here's what I say to your inane rant above. If none of us are as smart or as wise as we think we are, and if everyone suffers from that same conditional stupidity, then why do you think anything other than anarchism makes sense? Do you think it's a good idea to make people wards of the state? If in 10 years, you no longer think that's a good idea, then didn't you just spend 10 years supporting something like slavery? Do you believe that taxes are the only way to have a functional government? Well, what if 10 years from now, you're presented an alternative that you buy into? Then didn't you just spend the last 10 years arguing for government sponsored theft? Do you believe that some people are too stupid to make their own decisions and therefore we should have drug laws? What if 10 years from now you read an article about portugal's total legalization of drugs and you decide that incarceration of black people for minor drug crimes has destroyed inner-city families, made it difficult for poor people to get jobs, and cost you and me billions of dollars? Didn't you just spend 10 years supporting injustice and aren't you complicit in destroying the lives of those people?

If your philosophy is that we will never know more today than we know tomorrow and you think that that handicap means that argument shouldn't happen, then I am hoping that you have the foresight to work to return everything to some sort of state of nature. But my guess is that you would disagree. My guess is that you think that somehow more government is the default and that when you err on the side of caution, you think that government should take more over. I'm excited to live in your world.

By the way, everyone should read some Bastiat and Hayek. Shut up about your stupid philosophies, and read something that someone's actually put some thought into.
 
samgeneric said:
...mindless rant...
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Your post is exhibit A of why you should never jump in the middle of a conversation which you know nothing about. You don't know anything about me, my beliefs, or my deep (and very personal) understanding of the evils of the state.

If you would like to attack my beliefs, learn them first, then address them specifically. Otherwise you'll continue to come off like a raving lunatic.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Your post is exhibit A of why you should never jump in the middle of a conversation which you know nothing about. You don't know anything about me, my beliefs, or my deep (and very personal) understanding of the evils of the state.

If you would like to attack my beliefs, learn them first, then address them specifically. Otherwise you'll continue to come off like a raving lunatic.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were continuing an argument from other threads. Forgive me for not realizing you've engaged each other before, which is obvious. But again, it's your fault that i have no content to argue with from you because instead of speakign to the points, you spoke to the style.

Also, which part of my post makes me sound like a raving lunatic? Do you also believe that the FBI is listening to you through your walls? Because apparently you see things that aren't there. Also, I called your rant, inane, not mindless. It is silly and stupid, but it's not mindless. Oh, again, rather than correcting me, you simply took issue with my style again. I think there is a pretty consistent theme to your own style of argument. Your one of those people who brow beat people about their style rather than making arguments yourself.
 
samgeneric said:
Oh, again, rather than correcting me, you simply took issue with my style again.
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Every single thing you typed in that wall of text was incorrect, which is why I didn't bother pointing out specifics. The whole thing is wrong. It would be quicker to point out what is correct, but since none of your assumptions about me were correct I was left with just calling it a mindless rant.

Anyway, as someone that took the time to become a Republican delegate in a system I don't believe in just to help spread the truth that Ron Paul was preaching, I think it's best to let this thread get back to honoring the man that awakened so many. My bad on the temporary threadjack.
 
guerilla said:
that's the thing about class. You either have it or you don't.
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Do you have it?

Now I could be wrong, but this is how I imagine a "guerilla" may have responded if a "lukep" had made this same exact thread....


In fact, Austrian Economics is what compelled Ron Paul to first run for office.
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Ancapism is the [sic] political philosophy of the market not government.

The people attracted to changing government, by default, must be people who believe in government. You can't be a congressman without participating in the bullying, destruction and theft that goes with the job. No matter how noble what is in your heart, if you hurt people, that's not kosher.

While I don't believe in political solutions,
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Luke, are you sure of this? If so, then you wouldn't have such difficulty grasping the logical chain of progression which projects forward from this understanding. <insert Latin phrase here>.

Paul was the person who lead me to LewRockwell.com that lead me to Mises.org,
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So a politician led you around by the nose? No surprise here.

He might be the single most important person in the evolution of economics and social theory (as a promoter) in the last 50 years.
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From where did this "importance" manifest? His spot on the political stage, perhaps? Only a moron would not realize that platform is nothing more than an artificial construct, created and upheld by violence. Those of true importance are behind the curtain, hidden from the vision of the deluded idiotic populace.

His work, and the work he might yet do, will send ripples forward into the future for generations.
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More delusions. Of course, at this point we wouldn't expect anything less from you, luke.

May we all aspire to have such a positive impact on the world.
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DERP DERP DERP DERP

Make sure you bump this thread if you watch the video.
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Typical statist, telling others what to do.

I am unsubbing from this thread. I have work to do and the level of ignorance around here is really fucking depressing. You have grown ass adults who cannot understand very simple cause and effect that many children grasp instinctively.
 
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Watched the whole thing. I like that he mentions circumventing public education.

It's cool to see that he really is a genuine guy. He's retired from politics, but he's still working for liberty. I'm sure that he can still gain from doing what he does, but I don't believe he's in it for personal gain. In the introduction, the guy says that Paul is the same in private as he is in public. That is certainly the kind of integrity I strive for, and I hope that the statement is true about Ron Paul.

"Liberty is the only message that brings people together from different persuasions."

Not an exact quote, but pretty close.

He says that a few people are educated enough to take on a political burden:

"[Most people] haven't figured out that the government is lying to them... our job is to make sure people seek out the truth."

Ron Paul wasn't what brought me to anarcho-capitalism directly, but no doubt his work had a lot to do with the channels that did pull me towards the philosophy of non-aggression and liberty.
 
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What the hell are people arguing about? Look at similarities not the differences. Arrogance has gotta go, unless you like to be miserable of course.

This "waking up" process is not only mind revolution. It must also go through heart/sensing/feeling or else you are still an unbalanced being.

Kindness, compassion, etc. If these are not becoming more and more part of your experience, you are gonna be suffering. Even if anarchism becomes reality.

Just look at RP. It is not only the things he says, it is how he handles himself. He is a kind man, one of very few.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMVYy4qR76E]Frank Chodorov on political change, 1953 - YouTube[/ame]
 
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