if you have texts then put he in for a 72 hour hold. she is under 18 and you have all the right in the world to do so. use that 72 hour period to evaluate and have her take the mmpi before you let her home. i she shows amy signs of deception on the mmpi then put her into in patient treatement till you can get a professional review her status. if she is a sociopath she will act nice even charming till she can find an opening. i work with at risk youth and have seen this of behaviour lead to extremely negative consequnces.
What Do You Do When Your Kids Want To Kill You?
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That lock maybe very symbolic to her. I'm no shrink but putting that lock on could be the one single event to push her away. Not saying not to do it. Just to stop and think about it.
I'm sure the crisis people will give your daughter the help she needs. This event may even be more traumatic for you than her. You may want to find someone to go talk to, that maybe able to help you through this.
Ya but why don't you kick her the fuck out? I have no tolerance for cunts like this no matter how close in the family they are. If wife gets sad/angry about it then wife can go too. Better than living with a manipulative cunt who insults you in your own house.
Life's too fucking short to put up with people like this. And in truth you're only encouraging it by supporting her.
Even kids who aren't sociopaths, but get in trouble frequently will lie to your face and pretend it's good. Kids aren't stupid they learn quick how to get out of trouble.
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My mom and dad I'd tell the truth to, but teachers, police, etc could get fucked. I'd tell them whatever they wanted to hear just to leave me alone.
well, I don't think a lock on the inside of my bedroom door is going to break the camels back.
I don't want to make her feel like a prisoner, but at the same time, I don't want to make it easy for her to do something terrible.
Don't sleep in the same house as someone whose hobby is creating elaborate murder conspiracy scenarios in which you play the role of the victim.
Ice, if you had something to do with her real parents breakup then her hatred is prob not surprising.
Even if you didn't have anything to do with it still never underestimate a child's hatred towards someone perceived as trying to 'replace' a real parent.
Either way, IMO if you have to live in fear in your own house for long she has to go or both of them have to go (gf and daughter). It's no way to live in your own house.
Even if you didn't have anything to do with it still never underestimate a child's hatred towards someone perceived as trying to 'replace' a real parent.
Either way, IMO if you have to live in fear in your own house for long she has to go or both of them have to go (gf and daughter). It's no way to live in your own house.
Reading comprehension FTW. I wasnt talking about OPs daughter there.. I was talking to Napolean about his mother in law.
Wow man, I'm worried to hear this... Keep us updated on the psych services people and what comes of their visit. When you said everyone is all smiles, did you mean that includes your step daughter, or was she not there?
There are many guys here questioning your parenting a little and I see why; but my own sister has also had a history of mental issues when we were always a happy family. I had nothing but good memories playing with my sister outside laughing a lot, etc... and my parents treated her very well like they did to me. But she used to have night terrors as a kid, which were so frightening to witness. Maybe it was a sign of the transformation to come...As a teen she was always close to suicide and even attempted a couple times, and was addicted to drugs, developed an eating disorder, and attracted shitheads, including a boyfriend who was violent and put a shotgun in her face on a daily basis,.. or whatever gun close by... he was convicted of murder last year for a rampage he went on trying to kill some mexican guy... O_O She also rewrote her childhood memory and told us all that she was never happy and had a horrible childhood... It's really weird
She's kinda getting better these days at age 21, finally.
So yeah... I'm glad you're taking this seriously. If your step daughter was single, she might not have the courage or validation to really hurt you guys... but since she has a tool of boyfriend egging her on, that's all she needs to go crazy enough, I think...
Good luck. :/
There are many guys here questioning your parenting a little and I see why; but my own sister has also had a history of mental issues when we were always a happy family. I had nothing but good memories playing with my sister outside laughing a lot, etc... and my parents treated her very well like they did to me. But she used to have night terrors as a kid, which were so frightening to witness. Maybe it was a sign of the transformation to come...As a teen she was always close to suicide and even attempted a couple times, and was addicted to drugs, developed an eating disorder, and attracted shitheads, including a boyfriend who was violent and put a shotgun in her face on a daily basis,.. or whatever gun close by... he was convicted of murder last year for a rampage he went on trying to kill some mexican guy... O_O She also rewrote her childhood memory and told us all that she was never happy and had a horrible childhood... It's really weird
She's kinda getting better these days at age 21, finally. So yeah... I'm glad you're taking this seriously. If your step daughter was single, she might not have the courage or validation to really hurt you guys... but since she has a tool of boyfriend egging her on, that's all she needs to go crazy enough, I think...
Good luck. :/
As far as I'm concerned there's always 2 sides to every story. What do you think your daughter's would be?
To me the symbolism would be you locking her out. Not holdi g her prisoner. I could be way off, just first thing to come to mind.
This could just be some kind of stupid game w/ the douchebag bf. it is possible it was just some kind of banter much like the talk that goes on here. Obviously it's to serious to ignore, Just try to keep an open mind. She is at a fragile age, and these next couple weeks could be critical in the rest of her development.
the mmpi is a rather elaborate profile tool which can identify certain behaviours. it specificlly can spot intention deception in a way that is independant of simple lying. if someone is being calculating its that type of deception you want to be concerned about. Dimensions of deception in personality assessm... [J Pers Assess. 1997] - PubMed - NCBI shared a bit of how it outlines differemt types of deception. any signs in an mmpi would suggest that any response when dealing with crisis counselors is suspect. if thats the case then you have to assume that what she texted is accurate and if you know that then you have to take quick action.
Something's not right about this whole story.
Unless you "happened" across these by accident, there was a reason you were checking her phone.
I would be very surprised if this is true and I don't see how you could possibly know this. She's not on any medication at all? If so, then something probably happened in her past. I would be shocked if she's not on meds or something traumatic didn't happen in her past.
And dchuk's suggestion is pure idiocy. A person on anti-psychotics, relaxants, uppers/serotonin enhancers has a greater chance of committing violence/suicide than someone not on them, especially if they're already toeing the line of sanity.
I would simply confront her and see what the reaction is. Even if her response is to lie and she thinks that you're buying her lies, that in itself is telling and means she could have sociopathic tendencies. But it's probably too late for this.
I wouldn't have gotten the "mental health authorities" involved, whoever that is. They're only gonna drug her up and completely push her over the edge into insanity. The "mental health" profession is an utter joke, in my opinion. They ruin people who could otherwise be saved.
Based upon her reaction, I would then either drop it or bring the hammer down, i.e. see what legal consequences there are for conspiring/plotting/planning someone's murder, using the texts as evidence. I don't know what the laws are in that area, if she would go to juvie, etc.., something to shock her world and let her know she's drifting into Crazytown. Again, it's probably too late for this since you've apparently gotten someone involved.
It could be that she misunderstands a lot of things about how you feel towards her, perhaps is jealous of her mom's attention towards you, perhaps resents the fact that you took the place of her father, maybe is slightly paranoid and thinks the family has frozen her out, and sometimes getting all that stuff out in the open is enough to defuse that built up tension. I don't know how you can't possibly know her reasoning if you saw her texts, she must have mentioned some type of catalyst for her psychosis.
This is why I would never get with a girl with kids, much less marry them. You should probably ask your GF if anything happened in the past.
Unless you "happened" across these by accident, there was a reason you were checking her phone.
I would be very surprised if this is true and I don't see how you could possibly know this. She's not on any medication at all? If so, then something probably happened in her past. I would be shocked if she's not on meds or something traumatic didn't happen in her past.
And dchuk's suggestion is pure idiocy. A person on anti-psychotics, relaxants, uppers/serotonin enhancers has a greater chance of committing violence/suicide than someone not on them, especially if they're already toeing the line of sanity.
I would simply confront her and see what the reaction is. Even if her response is to lie and she thinks that you're buying her lies, that in itself is telling and means she could have sociopathic tendencies. But it's probably too late for this.
I wouldn't have gotten the "mental health authorities" involved, whoever that is. They're only gonna drug her up and completely push her over the edge into insanity. The "mental health" profession is an utter joke, in my opinion. They ruin people who could otherwise be saved.
Based upon her reaction, I would then either drop it or bring the hammer down, i.e. see what legal consequences there are for conspiring/plotting/planning someone's murder, using the texts as evidence. I don't know what the laws are in that area, if she would go to juvie, etc.., something to shock her world and let her know she's drifting into Crazytown. Again, it's probably too late for this since you've apparently gotten someone involved.
It could be that she misunderstands a lot of things about how you feel towards her, perhaps is jealous of her mom's attention towards you, perhaps resents the fact that you took the place of her father, maybe is slightly paranoid and thinks the family has frozen her out, and sometimes getting all that stuff out in the open is enough to defuse that built up tension. I don't know how you can't possibly know her reasoning if you saw her texts, she must have mentioned some type of catalyst for her psychosis.
This is why I would never get with a girl with kids, much less marry them. You should probably ask your GF if anything happened in the past.
I'm not saying she shouldn't get one. I agree with you. I'm just saying a kid could intentionally be deceptive without being a sociopath. Wouldn't all lying be intentionally deceptive? I'm guessing based on what you posted there are "levels of deception" that have different psychological meanings? I haven't read the link yet, but I will later tonight.
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Read the link, because it was only a paragraph long. That makes more sense. I was under the impression is was slightly different. Learn something new everyday.
So you're suggesting he should send his child to jail instead of trying to seek proper medical attention?
Do you think jail or juvenile detention will provide the help she needs? Or do you think this is a scared straight type situation?
Sucks to hear, Ice... Best of luck with this scary shit.
+1 for dchuk's advice, just remember to stay truthful while you do it... Don't make up any stories just to say that you are really concerned about her; she'll know if you are lying. I'd probably go for a 50/50 approach myself. (Half concern for her, half for the family, stressing fairness above all else.)
+1 for dchuk's advice, just remember to stay truthful while you do it... Don't make up any stories just to say that you are really concerned about her; she'll know if you are lying. I'd probably go for a 50/50 approach myself. (Half concern for her, half for the family, stressing fairness above all else.)
Sending her to juvie/jail is risky because it could push her completely over the edge, make her hate her parents, and connect her with more psychotics.
It all depends on her reasoning. You have to be good at reading people to know if they're being overly dramatic, if they're slightly delusional and cocky, or if there really is a screw loose.
If they're being overly dramatic, as high school girls tend to be, airing out grievances should help.
If she's delusional and arrogant, you need to shock her system aka "scare her straight". Maybe make her realize she never wants to spend time in juvie/county jail again. Teach her respect, aka never talk about her family members that way again.
If she's really a little off, it's tougher because the entire mental health game has changed. They don't have asylums anymore, they just drug people up. I don't think she is, though. She's either on drugs/pharmaceuticals, was molested/assaulted early in life, or has some extremely skewed/warped view of her current family life.
It all depends on a frank confrontation/conversation and seeing if she's the type of person who can be reasoned with, or if she's a sociopath and will lie to you no matter what.
Pickup an extra fire extinguisher while you're out.
Seriously though.....hope it all works out. Acting immediately was the right thing to do.
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