Toll Evasion Violation Dismissed Upon Asking for Evidence of Jurisdiction

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kingofsp

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Not too long ago myself and a couple others hijacked this thread and turned it into a discussion about whether or not their is proof that the state vehicle code applies to you, me, or anyone, or if it even matters.

UG and others weren't satisfied with the success stories posted by Marc Stevens. Well, for what it's worth, here is an email I received this morning after asking for the facts that the California Vehicle Code applies to me in response to a toll evasion notice I received in the mail (with a cool picture of my car).

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As I stated in the other thread, I doubt anyone is ever going to get a response like "welp, gosh, you're right, we have no proof! I guess you're off the hook!" The best you can hope for is them "losing" your file or giving you a "one-time courtesy" with no explanation why.
 


charlesmartel said:
Do you know if one-time freebies are common?
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Not that I know of, but I know they will waive the penalty as an incentive to open an account with them (that's what it says on the notice of toll evasion I received in the mail). Then I guess you would just pay the normal toll amount that you would have paid if you had their transponder thing and an account in the first place.
 
dchuk said:
But is that actually proof of what you were arguing though? Or just proof that you get one freebie and if you do it again, you will get a ticket?
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I wasn't arguing anything. I was asking them for the facts they rely on to prove the code applies. They ignored that question and dismissed it, rather than answering it so they could get the money I told them I would pay as soon as they furnished that information.


Kiopa_Matt said:
How could you possibly construe this as proof that you beat the legal system?
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When did I ever make that assertion? The legal system is not Gannon. I cannot use fraps to make a short video of how I defeated him with a silver arrow of truth and justice. Sorry if that's what you were looking for.
 
kingofsp said:
I wasn't arguing anything. I was asking them for the facts they rely on to prove the code applies. They ignored that question and dismissed it, rather than answering it so they could get the money I told them I would pay as soon as they furnished that information.
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You were arguing that the state vehicle code doesn't apply to you, which is why I asked if this is actually proof of that. Seems more like it's either a headache or costs them too much money to process on their end so they just say fuck it, which doesn't prove that the laws don't apply to you, just that there are ways to beat the system.
 
I think it's important to look at the fact that I never even disputed whether or not there was a violation or let alone asked them to dismiss their claim. All I did was ask for clarification.

Imagine if you were sitting inside a coffee shop and an employee handed you a bill for the $100 ceiling fan they just installed. Imagine you were like, "Hmmm, okay, but why do you believe I'm liable to pay this?" And then the person was like, "You know what? Don't worry about it." And then they went and gave it to someone else.
 
shawnhag said:
why not call them and ask?
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You mean as opposed to email? Well I disputed it online cause it was like midnight but I didn't really expect it to get dismissed that easily, I expected the next step would be having to talk to someone on the phone. I guess not.

I'm dealing with two parking tickets now that should be more interesting. Especially since they're for the same violation in the same spot. Would be hard for them to justify a "two-time courtesy." Lol.
 
Congrats on getting out of that bullshit. I'll admit I don't know much about California's traffic laws or court procedures, but I know in Michigan it's pretty common to get out of non-moving violations (especially parking tickets) if you take the time to write a letter. Even on moving violations a letter to the judge will normally get you a reduced fine. In both cases they just send out form letters that don't really explain anything so that may be all this really is. I doubt they even read the letters, you could probably send your kids book report and they would do the same thing.

Now if this were a speeding ticket, wrong turn, or especially something like a DUI where a cop actually pulled you over and issued the ticket, then a response like this would be impressive.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Now if this were a speeding ticket, wrong turn, or especially something like a DUI where a cop actually pulled you over and issued the ticket, then a response like this would be impressive.
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Thanks. I'm sure such an incident will inevitably be in my future so I will keep you posted on how that turns out!
 
Kudos to standing up to the Man!

If anyone in CA gets a ticket, they should consider contesting it by trial by declaration. The great thing about trial by declaration is that the judge can't intimidate you. Plus, if you lose you can request a new trial (trial de novo)!

I've used this site to beat 2 tickets for myself and half a dozen for friends and family.

Fight Traffic Tickets / Contest Traffic Tickets with the Ticket Assassin: Your Guide to Fighting California Traffic Tickets & Contesting Traffic Citations in California

The guy went AWOL a while ago but it looks like someone is back in charge.
 
We're gonna need for you to do it again, write the same email and see if they give you another freebie.
 
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