Will the loss of net neutrality hurt us little guys?
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Maybe you don't understand how the Internets works? It doesn't matter if you have a 1000000000GBPS connection, if every Americans ISP throttles you down to 1KBPS before it hits their computer you're fucked. Just wait until you have to pay TWS, Charter, Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T just to get your sites to load in a reasonable time.
I'm actually shocked there isn't more discussion on this forum about this. This truly has the power to kill a lot of little webmasters and totally destroys everything the Internet is about today.
There are so many completely decentralized web movements right now I am actually cheering on the coming loss of net neutrality.
It's just going to piss people off more and more about having to use an ISP at all, meanwhile, they're going to see free market solutions like Maidsafe and many other existing meshnets, including the one John McAfee plans to sell in $100 boxes that deliver the darknet to anyone in range of other boxes.
Frankly, I think it's all going to come down to pCell tech:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bO0tjAdOIw]pCell demonstration at Columbia by Steve Perlman, CEO, Artemis Networks - YouTube[/ame]
This is far beyond cell tower & even existing mesh tech... Delivering pretty much infinite bandwidth without towers at all... But it's still centralized enough for governments to co-opt it like they did the ISPs and cell industry.
So the end-game we really want is for someone to open-source both the hardware and the software that makes up pCell, and at that point no government will ever be able to restrict the flow of anything online ever again... We already have open solutions for the rest of the network, including long-distance connections and even Satellite linkage.
If the govs got really aggressive, we can always fall back to meshnet-over walkie-talkie, which is suprisingly powerful, with ranges out to 180 miles! Anonymous' New Walkie Talkies Use Radio Waves to Access the Internet | Motherboard
Exciting times we live in. Govs will never know what hit them.
It's just going to piss people off more and more about having to use an ISP at all, meanwhile, they're going to see free market solutions like Maidsafe and many other existing meshnets, including the one John McAfee plans to sell in $100 boxes that deliver the darknet to anyone in range of other boxes.
Frankly, I think it's all going to come down to pCell tech:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bO0tjAdOIw]pCell demonstration at Columbia by Steve Perlman, CEO, Artemis Networks - YouTube[/ame]
This is far beyond cell tower & even existing mesh tech... Delivering pretty much infinite bandwidth without towers at all... But it's still centralized enough for governments to co-opt it like they did the ISPs and cell industry.
So the end-game we really want is for someone to open-source both the hardware and the software that makes up pCell, and at that point no government will ever be able to restrict the flow of anything online ever again... We already have open solutions for the rest of the network, including long-distance connections and even Satellite linkage.
If the govs got really aggressive, we can always fall back to meshnet-over walkie-talkie, which is suprisingly powerful, with ranges out to 180 miles! Anonymous' New Walkie Talkies Use Radio Waves to Access the Internet | Motherboard
Exciting times we live in. Govs will never know what hit them.
You still have to hook into the backbones/fiber somewhere Luke and those can be controlled, throttled, regulated and snooped on. There's no getting away from it.
I can't walkie talkie into a Cogent or Level3 fiber optic backbone to hit sites all over the world.
No, you don't.
You can build out your own internet and ignore theirs completely.
It's already being done with about a half million participants all around the world.
Yet.
It's a temp fix anyway... Once the majority is ignoring the ISPs their business model won't make sense anymore, and decentralized solutions will be the mainstream in short order.
Wow, that's almost 0.007% of the world's population.
People don't care about net neutrality. People like us do, because it makes it more expensive for us to run websites. The big guys like Google, Facebook, yada yada just pay the extra fees and negotiate things out, and the end user gets what they want.
It's in neither the carriers or the ISP's interest for web traffic to decrease. As more lines open up by more carriers between various connecting points, and people like Google/Facebook begin to do widespread wireless internet with drones, carriers move towards 5G, etc, it all becomes irrelevant. The internet is going to be ubiquitous. Data transfer speeds will be so fast and so cheap that the costs of transfer become practically irrelevant.
Another decentralised internet isn't going to replace what we have. The pain isn't and won't become big enough for Joe Public.
Never discount the importance of free stuff. (Both free as in no-cost and free as in uncaged.)
Sure, the common couch surfer won't feel the pain of net neutrality most of the time. He might be on the benefitting end in fact, and be inclined to fight for his unbalanced share of the bandwidth to watch GoT reruns on in SuperHD from netflix or amazon...
But that will all cost money. While the 10% or so of this planet that subscribes to cable channels and hi-def web programming will all justify that their increased resolution and no-wait times are all worth paying the cash for, the rest of the world will have robust options that are totally free in every way.
Free from cost, free from censorship, free from borders, just like bittorrent is today.
...And quite a few more people are downloading torrents than pay for cable already. I've seen people pushing their hawker carts around downtown bangkok with bare feet, passing the time between customers watching their favorite shows torrented to their smartphones. They don't make enough all month to pay for that download through a service like amazon, but they've got an infinite library of entertainment on bittorrent.
It's spreading faster than anybody's admitting. Free stuff rules.
And which web will likely be the one that bittorrent and other free apps bloom on?
Precisely what we got cables, lasers, and satellites for. Perhaps it'll exist as 3 or 4 regional internets for a while, but not for long.
Luke, it's a good idea in theory but there would be scammers and quality control issues just like with bitcoin, at least at first.
Before it gets to that point I think you'd see some class-action lawsuits though against the ISP's on behalf of all the gay webmasters out there.
Before it gets to that point I think you'd see some class-action lawsuits though against the ISP's on behalf of all the gay webmasters out there.
Jon's latest video on the subject: (Highly recommended)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-xSP_T0VqU]Net Neutrality [RAP NEWS 25] - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-xSP_T0VqU]Net Neutrality [RAP NEWS 25] - YouTube[/ame]
Don't know about you LukeP but I don't personally own any trans-atlatic cables, lasers or satellites. I think the only people that own those are the Gubment and private corporations.... you know the ones that control the Internet currently.
Clearly this isn't a project for 2014.
Actually the lasers are cheap enough, you could afford one that will give you a high speed connection with any other laser station in direct line of sight.... Which of course won't cross oceans.
It'll take cheaper satellites, no doubt. Let's hope we start seeing those by 2020ish.
