Low spenders have no voice.

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Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed something during my first month of really trying out affiliate offers... I have no voice.

After about 5 weeks of promoting e-mail/zip offers, credit applications, and survey sites, I've done nothing more than lose money (I've broke even with the survey sites). Basically, if nothing else, I've learned that I shouldn't mess with e-mail/zip offers, because I simply don't get paid for submissions.

I'm with CJ, CPA Empire, NeverBlueAds and LinkConnentor... With two of these companies I have verified that the tracking sucks (proxy signup). I've e-mailed my AM's 3 times, with no response. In fact, with all four companies I very rarely ever receive a response to any e-mail I send.

I'm basically taking the money I make from Adsense everyday (about $15-20) and putting it back into PPC to promote these offers. Anyway...

I feel like the fact that I'm only spending $15 a day on PPC and making no money is putting me at the bottom of the give-a-shit list with these affiliate companies. So my question is this... what advice would you give me to make this work? How can I run a successful campaign when my AM's won't even respond to my e-mails... A simple promotion that didn't scrub all my submits would help, but I can't even get a response on which ones are currently screwing people the least.
 


You should be emailing or preferably calling the respective affiliate network and ask for a new AM. Explain that your just starting out and would like some guidance, and your current AM wouldn't give you that.
 
Sounds like you have had bad luck with AMs to me. Most of the networks I am with have been very responsive to me even before I start working or doing volume with them (Copeac, Maxbounty, Azoogle). Of course, I am mindful that they have other affiliates to work with and I do my best to be as efficient as possible & not waste their time.

Ironically, the least helpful/least responsive AM I have is at a network that I am doing low $XX,XXX/mo volume with.
 
i too have found that tracking sucks.

If you dont spend much they wont want to dedicate many resources to helping you and can you really blame them?
 
Dude, if you want a good Zip/Email submit network, message me.... Tracking is real time (really), not 3 minutes delayed, not 1 minute delayed.

And my shit seems to do well.

Neverblue is pretty decent with some offers. The others I don't know.

But basically you have to test each offer... Some offers won't work for whatever stupid reason... Keep the freshest offers up.
 
bluebobbo said:
But basically you have to test each offer... Some offers won't work for whatever stupid reason... Keep the freshest offers up.
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Why?

Wouldn't it be more profitable, and make 10x's as much sense to skip the money hungry middle men... And contact the advertisers directly?

Would take a bit more work then testing links -I strongly believe networks FAIL MISERABLY here- but in the end, you do not have to forfeit a % of your commission to the shitty ass network not doing a single thing for you...
 
wsmith810 said:
Why?

Wouldn't it be more profitable, and make 10x's as much sense to skip the money hungry middle men... And contact the advertisers directly?

Would take a bit more work then testing links -I strongly believe networks FAIL MISERABLY here- but in the end, you do not have to forfeit a % of your commission to the shitty ass network not doing a single thing for you...
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Have you found a ad network willing to do this? I'd guess they would want a decent amount of volume for this, and if your leads don't convert well they would just dump you and not pay, at least most cpa networks have a little more power because of their volume..
 
Thats the only way networks land advertisers is because the traffic filters through cpaclicks, login101, etc...

There are quite a few advertisers out there who will work with you regardless of volume... they are not "overly" out there with the "We accept all"

Just need to do some digging
 
random thought - you guys do know the adult industry is not like mainstream - there are no ad networks

work with anyone you want to

when is this going to happen in the mainstream marketplace?
 
I maybe bias as i run a network- But i too have never had success with most email/zip submits. And i have promoted several before i learned my lesson. Ultimately not worth my time. and have proven to be harmful to my trusted affiliates as they don't make money either with them either. Not to mention their data has likely been given away in the process of testing them.
Real tracking, rather backend "scrubbing" is always an issue as well, as you only see clicks you are sending.

I know there are a few affiliates that do real well with these types of offers, but i don't know what they do differently to make that happen.

Our network generally avoids these types of offers, for the above reasons-

As far as how to have a better relationship with an AM, find a network that values that as a business principle. Affiliates should not have to beg, to gain access to a business discussion on how to make more money with offers in the network or resolving issues.
 
What network do you work for?

OWBrent said:
I maybe bias as i run a network- But i too have never had success with most email/zip submits. And i have promoted several before i learned my lesson. Ultimately not worth my time. and have proven to be harmful to my trusted affiliates as they don't make money either with them either. Not to mention their data has likely been given away in the process of testing them.
Real tracking, rather backend "scrubbing" is always an issue as well, as you only see clicks you are sending.

I know there are a few affiliates that do real well with these types of offers, but i don't know what they do differently to make that happen.

Our network generally avoids these types of offers, for the above reasons-

As far as how to have a better relationship with an AM, find a network that values that as a business principle. Affiliates should not have to beg, to gain access to a business discussion on how to make more money with offers in the network or resolving issues.
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narsticle said:
i too have found that tracking sucks.
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I hope you all realize that email/zip submits don't pay for EVERY submit. There's typically lots of filtering in place. They scrub from previous submits, perhaps scrub submits from other verticals of the same company (so they won't pay out for both if a surfer signs up to win a free ipod and also a free gift card), they perhaps filter out undesirable countries and IPs, check zip codes with IP addresses and disregard those that don't match, maybe filter out AOL since they probably can't mail to them, ditch proxy leads, etc.

I realize this sounds bad, but it's the only way they can pay $1+ for just an email address. The alterative is that you'd get a $0.25 CPA instead.
 
OWBrent said:
I maybe bias as i run a network- But i too have never had success with most email/zip submits. And i have promoted several before i learned my lesson. Ultimately not worth my time. and have proven to be harmful to my trusted affiliates as they don't make money either with them either. Not to mention their data has likely been given away in the process of testing them.
Real tracking, rather backend "scrubbing" is always an issue as well, as you only see clicks you are sending.

I know there are a few affiliates that do real well with these types of offers, but i don't know what they do differently to make that happen.

Our network generally avoids these types of offers, for the above reasons-

As far as how to have a better relationship with an AM, find a network that values that as a business principle. Affiliates should not have to beg, to gain access to a business discussion on how to make more money with offers in the network or resolving issues.
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Well said. Like you I work for an ad network so this could be slightly biased but it's the affiliates who make the network and should therefore have priorty no matter how small or big they are.
 
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