Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less
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Fuck that, I'm starting my own Ethanol camp.
FOR ONLY $500/DAY, YOU TOO CAN LEARN TO PLANT SEEDS OF CORN TO BE LATER SOLD FOR UBER PROFITS TO ETHANOL PRODUCERS.
SO FAR I'VE PLANTED 14 SEEDS AND OF THOSE 14, 13 GREW INTO CORN STALKS. I'M UBER AND KNOA MY SHIZZAT.
UBERHOL. $5000 and bb_wolfe can teach YOU the secrets to ethanol with special 1 on 1 training
I take it back. It's been around for thousands of years.
In the middle east it is customary for men/women to hold hands. Even Kiss on the cheek during greeting.
People will think ethonal is good until they have to pay $6 for an ear of corn.
You seriously think we would pay less even if we drilled in the U.S.? Ha. Fuck no. We will still pay international prices.
Pointless.
Pointless.
In terms of efficiency, Ethanol is a terrible choice. Not only does it take ~30% more Ethanol fuel to match the energy output of regular Gasoline, it also takes more energy to produce say, 1 gallon of Ethanol, than how much power output that one gallon of Ethanol gives.
Also, the "flex fuel" vehicle thing is complete horseshit. Any gasoline internal combustion engine can run Ethanol without issue. What makes a flex fuel vehicle so special? The fuel lines are made out of a material that cannot be compromised by Ethanol and the car's computer has the ability to switch between fuel/timing maps for gasoline and fuel/timing maps for ethanol. That's all a flex fuel vehicle is. Replace the lines on your "non flex fuel" vehicle and run a tunable ECU and voila, you have a vehicle that can run on either Ethanol or gasoline. Everyone in the U.S. has already been running E10 (90% gasoline / 10% Ethanol) for years anyway.
Also, the "flex fuel" vehicle thing is complete horseshit. Any gasoline internal combustion engine can run Ethanol without issue. What makes a flex fuel vehicle so special? The fuel lines are made out of a material that cannot be compromised by Ethanol and the car's computer has the ability to switch between fuel/timing maps for gasoline and fuel/timing maps for ethanol. That's all a flex fuel vehicle is. Replace the lines on your "non flex fuel" vehicle and run a tunable ECU and voila, you have a vehicle that can run on either Ethanol or gasoline. Everyone in the U.S. has already been running E10 (90% gasoline / 10% Ethanol) for years anyway.
I disagree, It's not pointless. Cost is not the issue. I would gladly pay more for energy if it got us out from underneath pwnership of the Saudis. They totally control our entire economy and that has implications more exepensive than any $10 gallon of gas.
If foreign fuel was not an issue then we wouldn't be spending billions of dollars to keep troops in the middle east, amongst other things costly.
I agree
Also, why would anyone spend a bunch of money to convert their house to solar? That's just as stupid and pointless.
I mean, it would be years before you actually saw a return on your investment. Why not just keep using the good ol' electric company?
Sure, the electric company can gouge you, limit the supply, and there's always the chance that the power could go out completely, but it's just easier to keep using them rather than plan for the future and not have to worry about what the electric company did.
I'm with ya man, fuck doing anything that doesn't have an immediate effect.
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Oh come on... Drilling in the U.S. won't have an immediate effect, nor will it have much of an effect at all. It's not the U.S. government that would be drilling in these areas, it's independent companies. . .and independent companies aren't going to sell their new found oil at lesser price than the rest of the international market.
Most people want to drill in the U.S. because they think it will lower gas prices. It will not. Nothing will, gas is only going to get more expensive as time goes on, it doesn't matter how much oil is in Alaska.
If Alaska was opened up to drilling right now, it would still take 5-10 years before the first barrel of oil was refined. In that amount of time we could make a major move to alternative energy.
My point? Drilling in Alaska IS pointless, because we would NOT see a return on it. As long as the world keeps popping out babies, oil is going to continue going up.
Re-read my post.
I never said it would have an immediate effect or lower prices, it was about becoming independent (substitute oil for electricity and the middle east for the electric company). It was also about how you liberals have suddenly become nearsighted and are arguing that we shouldn't do something because it won't have an immediate effect.
And I believe it would lower prices or at least keep them more level and prevent sudden spikes.
We have no control over OPEC, they have a monopoly and there is nothing we can do about it. If we produce our own oil, we at least have a chance at controlling production and penalizing companies for monopolistic practices.
If we no longer need OPEC's oil, OPEC will be forced to compete with (undercut) domestic concerns and prices should fall.
When oil was cheap it made sense to import it, save our resources for later. Now it is "later" and there's no reason not to start using our own resources. With our oil deposits, shale oil, and coal-to-oil we have enough oil to last us hundreds of years at current consumption rates. It's idiotic, if not insane, to argue against us using our own oil resources.
If you think that the use of fossil fuels such as gas, diesel, and fuel oil is going to be reduced by any significant amount in the next 20 or 30 years, regardless of any breakthroughs in renewable energy technology, you're living in a dream world. The best we can hope for is to stabilize it.
I don't get it. Liberals jump up and down screaming like little girls anytime we send our military to the middle east. Over and over it's "the only reason we are there is the oil". Now that we decide to drill our own oil, Liberals throw a hissy fit and want us to continue to use oil from the middle east. Why not free ourselves from that dependence so we don't have to send our military over there to protect our intrests and economy?
There won't be any reason to have alternative energies in 5 - 10 years if we don't get a handle on oil prices, because there won't be an economy. Nobody will be able to afford that nice new hybrid that runs on urine and human shit.
Then Liberals will be able to claim victory and their struggle to turn the US into a third-world country will have succeeded and we can all ride our bikes to the store to stand in line on bread day and we'll live happily ever after because when the big, bad United States finally falls there will be no more war or famine or hatred and everyone on earth will dance and sing in fieds of poppies and live in peace, and unicorns will graze under rainbows, and um lots of other happy/gay shit. [had to throw in some sarcasm somewhere]
Maybe the Libs could kill more babies and the Conservatives could put more of the survivors in prison or execute them.
Finally, the Right and Left could work together for the benefit of mankind.
It's called supply and demand. And yes, even though it *could* (see footnote) take a few years to get all that Alaskan oil to market, just the mere announcement of such an initiative would drop prices immediately. Read about the 'evil' speculators in the news and you'll understand how the price can drop on such news literally overnight.
*footnote: I have yet to see any substantial evidence by the crying left that proves their theory we will have to wait for ten years before all the Alaskan and offshore oil comes to market.
Gumby is the SHANIZZLE!
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Arguing on WF is about as retarded as it gets... I'm done. Go drill your Alaskan oil, it's not going to matter.
If the drilling ever does start, I'll find the first thread one of you idiots posts about high gas prices and say I told you so...
Since you're so smart, I'll leave the rest of this thread's discussion to you. Because arguing on a forum changes things.
If the drilling ever does start, I'll find the first thread one of you idiots posts about high gas prices and say I told you so...
Since you're so smart, I'll leave the rest of this thread's discussion to you. Because arguing on a forum changes things.
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