Love the Obama Campaings!
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Yeah, the S-for-a-B-consipracy. It even rhymes. Osama-Obama. That rhymes too.
But he forgot that he can't fool a gay forum
Belief is a dangerous thing. It's way to final, hard to change your beliefs when you learn new facts that contradict them.
No beliefs here, but I think it is both parties (and politicians worldwide) working to represent a small group of wealthy and powerful people and corporations rather than the whole population that is responsible for this shit.
It doesn't really make a difference who wins, the rhetoric might change but in the end it will be business as usual. Life is way too easy in the rich west for most of us to really try to change things.
Yeah, something like that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
So people should judge you based on what say your affiliate manager, or any other business associate, did 30 years ago?
You say "What's the difference between 10 trillion and 11 trillion dollars of deficit"
I say "1 trillion dollars". To prove this is a shit ton of money I'll spell it out for you
1,000,000,000,000
That a million times a million
That a million times a million
If I honestly thought Obama would be good for the economy I would swallow my pride and vote for him ... because you're right, that's by far the most important problem we have. The fact is, his policies will make spending go through the roof, which does terrible things for an already weak dollar. So I ask you, How is he going to help our economy???
As it stands, neither the democratic or republican candidate is good for our situation. So while my beliefs are very close to republican (self responsibility, no handouts, small gov't, ...), I'll pay very close attention on election day to which 3rd party candidate is getting the most votes ... and I'll vote for him. This probably means Chuck Baldwin gets my vote as many RonPaulites will be checking his box. Yes, I realize he won't win but at least I'm working towards a better future instead of voting for just another lying politician like the rest of the sheeple.
I am of the opinion (generated by facts) that him and Ayers are more than just associates.
I don't know enough to say on that (and can't be fucked searching for independent non-biased info), but regardless...
Would you like to be judged based on the actions of even your closest friends and family? Especially when the stuff was over quarter of a century ago.
Plus, from the little I know, it looks like he might've had a point - trying to overthrow a corrupt government that was serving vested interests. Freedom fighter or terrorist?
You've seen Dogma one too many times. So have I, because we totally agree there. There's always a reason to change your mind if the facts change, new ones are presented or become clearer to you. Beliefs are much more tricky to change than ideas.
You are however wrong about the FANNIE/FREDDIE thing. That was very much a democrat's project cooked up by democrats for the poor people (more democrats) who can't afford homes to be able to purchase them.
Let me repeat that one more time. These people could not afford houses and the democrats pushed this system through (under Clinton, a democrat) that said ... ooh give them the house, we've got their back. Then, what a surprise, they couldn't pay and foreclosures are causing the housing bubble to burst.
It's biting us in the ass right about now and quite possibly is the straw that is breaking our economy's back (though it's not the only cause).
If Ayers was a 'Freedom Fighter', I'd love to know what freedoms he was denied so much that he felt he had to fight for them.
Freedom fighters stand up for the innocent and would never think of bombing a building full of innocents.
You have to admit, calling him a freedom fighter is flimsy at best.
No, I say Stop Putting Word in my Mouth. I'm saying I don't give a fuck if I spend some extra cash to keep the economy that I RELY on alive.
How the fuck does me saying I don't mind paying the extra taxes that are a part of his plan imply I would like an extra trillion dollars of deficit?
That's a real mindfuck of a thought process.
(ok, I won't be a dick after this part of the post, I just have absolutely idea where you got that)
- Taxing those making $250,000 or more keeps the middle class purchasing, and despite what McCain says will not damage the small business economy. I don't know about a lot of people doing well on this board, but I know my own spending habits don't vary drastically after my income passes a certain level.
Do I like more money? Yeah. But a bit less money does not necessarily affect my spending habits(to a certain point obviously). Now once again, remember that although I'm getting taxed more I also get more sales because people are willing to part with their money. - Oil prices are going to continue going up. The idea of heavily investing in renewable energy then reselling it to other industrial nations is a really. fucking. good. idea. It costs a substantial amount to create a solid infrastructure for that, so we could more or less hold a monopoly on it for quite awhile. Not many places will be able to round up the funding necessary to compete. As long as we're below the price of gas and have a solid method of distribution, we're solid.
Additionally, it gives us the ability to put a financial squeeze on oil producing nations we may have conflicts with by lowering our own prices to undercut them. Oh yeah, and this entire thing creates jobs. - If you look at the polls, the public has a much higher confidence in Obama to deal with the economic situation. The confidence of the public is absolutely important to an economy. If people are more confident/less afraid of losing their asses, they don't restrict their buying habits to campbell's soup.
Now this (edit:errr the first part)I can agree with. If I'm being completely honest, I know neither party is perfect for this situation. There's a lot of things to be done. Politicians won't agree to most, and people would approve of even less.
That said, I feel that the symbolic 3rd party vote is part of what is wrong with this country right now.
I feel like the situation right now is bad enough that the time for symbolism is completely over. Symbols are just that, symbols. Indicators or reminders of a concept/idea. They are not actions or even planning. And right now, those are what we need. We need to sit down, iron out a real plan, and hit it balls to the wall. Either that or we're fucked.
I've rarely met a 3rd party voter who wasn't at least pretty well informed on the issues, and it fucking sucks that some of the few people in this country that know their head from their ass politically are wasting a vote on a symbol rather than actually trying to help us figure out which of the realistic candidates is going to at least have a decent chance of success.
Agreed. It was 1968 when the weathermen were formed.
I have VERY straightlaced relatives who were dropping acid and enjoying the free love in a hippy van back then.
Many who will vote for McCain agree with this. I don't see this as a partisan issue for the most part. We all hate seeing those Saudis driving Bentleys and skiing in the desert.
I disagree with anyone who says this won't affect many in America since millions of mom-and-pop S-corps fall into this range. Each one employs 2 to 3 people as well. It all ads up. The larger corps love this one because their leaner, more nimble competition will get slaughtered.
I can see a small boost in consumer confidence immediately after the elections but I doubt it will have any lasting sustainability once the reality we are still in a depression sets in. Consumerism is fickle.
I guess that makes bombing government buildings OK then.
Take a look at the actual tax graph from both candidates. Under Obama you wouldn't feel a pinch until you hit the 603k mark.
This proves Obama is a liar. There is no way he will be able to pay for all of his promises to the public if he is able to *allegedly* cut so much tax revenue out of the picture.
According to this graph, I walk away with an extra $410 under McCain.
Yes, but Obama has put a lot more emphasis on alternative energy in general. McCain? Not as much. Palin? Still quizically pondering over global warming and rolling around on her skinned moose.
What's that zero? Implying it won't trickle down?
On a more serious note, only 3% of the sole proprietorships in the US make more than 250,000 per year.
The S-Corps and some businesses would fall at the bottom end of that bracket. Quite frankly, it's completely unavoidable. There will always be a bottom of the bracket, regardless of whose plan it is.
And by your logic the big businesses would hate these sole propriaterships since(gasp) they'd be paying less taxes than the big businesses.
Consumerism is fickle. But if you're sitting in the bottom of a big fucking hole, it's amazing how much a ladder(that initial consumer confidence) can help in getting out of the hole. That confidence with some positive action observable by the public, and who knows. This shit could turn around faster than we think(though admittadly still not fast)
It's not ok to bomb buildings. But it's also fucking retarded to judge someone who is simply associated in the present day with someone who over 35 years ago, during one of the nations most tumultuous political times in our history did that. While it is unforgivable to bomb buildings like he did, that doesn't mean I'm prepared to condemn everyone he's ever been associated with even decades after the indident because of it.
I think most people have known and in many cases befriended some very fucked up people. It's unavoidable in life. That doesn't make them the same as the people they knew.
What's that zero? Implying it won't trickle down?
Haha! Well, I'll give you that one. Nice hit.
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