Arbitrage Conspiracy ??

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Richard: Unlike a lot of the people here, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're just someone that feel for the latest "guru" con, and that you're not actually a shill.

1) If it's so great, how come the guarantee policy changed from being for 12 weeks to 30 days? And that those 30 days started from the time of purchase, giving people that purchased at launch only 4 days of the course to actually hit the refund button?
And that because of the delays, they only got 2 days since the first material was released?
I mean, it sounds kind of shady to me.

2) How valuable is the information of getting a campaign, and then direct linking it in the ads through Google?
And don't tell me that the idea is for people to "think outside of the box". If you're going to teach a course, the material that's taught has to be exactly applicable. If I went to uni and was told to "think outside the box" or to do something that wasn't taught in the course just to pass the course (I'm not talking extra credit here, but kudos to those that have figured that shit out on their own) I'd be very pissed off.

3) How do you defend people that commit to running a course, and then don't even post material on time because they're too busy laughing it up at a conference and they can't even put a post on their own site explaining that they're going to be late delivering?

4) What is your opinion on the fact that almost none of the print material is of any use, given that it's not even the slides used in the video presentation? Do you feel that the video presentation is at all useful given that a lot of the time, the info being spoken about is out of sync with the actualk material showing up in the video?

I should point out that I haven't bought the course, but I AM talking to a number of people that did, because I'm more interested in the reasons why people sign up to this sort os crap. It's straight of a psych text book on marketing.

Windjc: There are those of us that can type amazingly fast.
Giving Richard the benefit of the doubt, he could be ana amazing typist. I can do over 100wpm normally, and hit about 140wpm with only a 5% increase in errors when I'm speeding.
 


He is not a shill, and he fell for it. True.
But, he has a good chance of succeeding. A very good chance.
Not because of the course, but because of his hard work.


Richard: you're just someone that feel for the latest "guru" con, and that you're not actually a shill.
 
It's called commitment , dedication , passion - whatever you like - I work it hard

Richard. You are slowly (quickly) proving yourself to be the dumbest person in affiliate marketing. Go spend your commitment time working on your business and stop posting.

Fact: You learned some things from the Arbitrage Conspiracy
Fact: You overpaid for the knowledge you received
Fact: You can get the same info for free online
Fact: You can get the same info for $50 from PPC coach
Fact: You are wasting your 'passion' time posting bullshit in this forum

There's really nothing to argue.

Fact: In the 5 minutes I posted this I made $500 in profits from my campaigns
 
Posting higher profits to prove someone who is starting out is lesser than us in some way just proves our own immaturity. When we started out, did we all make huge amounts of money right off the bat? No.
Everyone starts at ground zero. At least, most of us.
 
actually most people here were born with silver campaigns in their mouths..

i hope mate you've now had the sense to hit the refund button, join up at ppc coach and keep your 3K ready for some serious campaign testing.

if not good luck you obviously have more money than sense, and thats a bad combination in the am world. more money and sense is where you want to be :)
 
Richard: Unlike a lot of the people here, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're just someone that feel for the latest "guru" con, and that you're not actually a shill.

1) If it's so great, how come the guarantee policy changed from being for 12 weeks to 30 days? And that those 30 days started from the time of purchase, giving people that purchased at launch only 4 days of the course to actually hit the refund button?
And that because of the delays, they only got 2 days since the first material was released?
I mean, it sounds kind of shady to me.

2) How valuable is the information of getting a campaign, and then direct linking it in the ads through Google?
And don't tell me that the idea is for people to "think outside of the box". If you're going to teach a course, the material that's taught has to be exactly applicable. If I went to uni and was told to "think outside the box" or to do something that wasn't taught in the course just to pass the course (I'm not talking extra credit here, but kudos to those that have figured that shit out on their own) I'd be very pissed off.

3) How do you defend people that commit to running a course, and then don't even post material on time because they're too busy laughing it up at a conference and they can't even put a post on their own site explaining that they're going to be late delivering?

4) What is your opinion on the fact that almost none of the print material is of any use, given that it's not even the slides used in the video presentation? Do you feel that the video presentation is at all useful given that a lot of the time, the info being spoken about is out of sync with the actualk material showing up in the video?

I should point out that I haven't bought the course, but I AM talking to a number of people that did, because I'm more interested in the reasons why people sign up to this sort os crap. It's straight of a psych text book on marketing.

Windjc: There are those of us that can type amazingly fast.
Giving Richard the benefit of the doubt, he could be ana amazing typist. I can do over 100wpm normally, and hit about 140wpm with only a 5% increase in errors when I'm speeding.


Hey Harvey,

I've no doubt that there are problems with AC as there are with running any course practically "live" - on the 1st week I got the material for week 1 at 2pm in the U.K on the Monday - so it was live 6am in the U.S - last week was late and I did'nt get the material until the tuesday and not the monday as it should have been but is that really such a big deal - i was'nt suddenly "hitting the refund button".

As I've said I'm not here to defend anyone - just give a view from my perspective.

I purchased the course through a third party ( I guess one of their affiliates who was getting a big cut of my $1995 ) and he has been a mine of information. He was perfectly honest that he was making a big cut out of it - 45% - but he has been on AIM every night to answer any questions - he has set up his own forum for the 50 or so people who joined through him - he has done additional course material and videos to supplement the material in the videos etc etc - so I guess that is why i have'nt had a problem with the support element that everyone keeps going on about.

I suppose if I had joined the course and been on my own it may have been more difficult but I would have still found a way to answer my questions. There are live webinars each friday - every monday there is an hour long Q & A video answering the most common email questions that get sent to them and there is the course videos themselves which they record through the week prior and release on the following monday - so I think that if they have paid their affiliates nearly half the course fee - they are running a course for 13 weeks for around $1000 - less than $100 a week - per person - depends what value you put on your time I guess.

As for the printed material on PDF - why would you print your entire course out so it can be distributed far a wide for free - you'd try to protect it a bit - you know and I know that it will get out there somehow - come on nothing stays secret for long !!

And no the direct linking thing through google does'nt work - you would never get your ad approved by them - I had the same thing myself in the 1st week - so i went to MSn and Yahoo and have had no problem at all. I also think that Google have a problme if you are direct linking to an ad in another country - I tested my links on a proxy server but then realised that google uk would be testing on a UK server so the link would look bad and the ad be disapproved - although it was a blessing in disguise as I have found MSn to be great and convert better anyway.

Hope this clears up those points.

Rich
 
Richard. You are slowly (quickly) proving yourself to be the dumbest person in affiliate marketing. Go spend your commitment time working on your business and stop posting.

Fact: You learned some things from the Arbitrage Conspiracy
Fact: You overpaid for the knowledge you received
Fact: You can get the same info for free online
Fact: You can get the same info for $50 from PPC coach
Fact: You are wasting your 'passion' time posting bullshit in this forum

There's really nothing to argue.

Fact: In the 5 minutes I posted this I made $500 in profits from my campaigns

With posts like that I don't need to ever worry about being the dumbest person in affiliate marketing !!! :ugone2far:

In fact if you make $500 in 5 mins I know I picked the right industry to get into - woooohoooo !!!!!:food-smiley-010:

Another well thought out argument.

Next !!
 
actually most people here were born with silver campaigns in their mouths..

i hope mate you've now had the sense to hit the refund button, join up at ppc coach and keep your 3K ready for some serious campaign testing.

if not good luck you obviously have more money than sense, and thats a bad combination in the am world. more money and sense is where you want to be :)

Thanks man - at least a genuine post.

It's a chicken and egg situation - do you "invest" money early or pay money into your mistakes - either way it costs you. It was'nt like I just saw the AC and thought "ooh that looks like the answer to all my problems" - I saw a guy earning good money in an industry i wanted to move into - and through him i have already got a network of people who are giving me sound advice that is working - and as far as i am concerned that is what matters.

Yes I could save my money and take three times as long to learn what i have already learnt - losing $$$$$$ along the way - but I decided to take the chance and try to get a good grounding from someone who is doing this day in day out and earning good money day in day out.

For people who have been in AM for a while i am sure that the course would be too basic at the moment but for me it's fine and it's showing me how to test campaigns smart and not lose $$$ doing it.

Rich
 
Windjc: There are those of us that can type amazingly fast.
Giving Richard the benefit of the doubt, he could be ana amazing typist. I can do over 100wpm normally, and hit about 140wpm with only a 5% increase in errors when I'm speeding.


Yeh, I know. My point was that when I was getting started and working 16 hour days to learn and figure it out, I didnt have the time or energy to read every thread I wanted to, much less start one to invoke a heated discussion and then defend myself against all responses.

I wish him the best of luck. I hope he kicks ass and takes names. But I think he is wasting time with this thread.

I'm taking a scheduled lazy day. Thats the only reason I'm responding to something I am not directly able to profit from.
 
Yeh, I know. My point was that when I was getting started and working 16 hour days to learn and figure it out, I didnt have the time or energy to read every thread I wanted to, much less start one to invoke a heated discussion and then defend myself against all responses.

I wish him the best of luck. I hope he kicks ass and takes names. But I think he is wasting time with this thread.

I'm taking a scheduled lazy day. Thats the only reason I'm responding to something I am not directly able to profit from.

I agree with you mate - it must be the lawyer in me - can't resist a good fight.

Anyway I have busy day tomorrow - so I'm away - take care all
 
This ebook looks like such shit that it would probably be embarrassing to the free ebook section.
 
Good lord, I don't see why this thread deserves so much attention.. this is like free publicity for these ebook asshats..
 
It's called commitment , dedication , passion - whatever you like - I work it hard - it's 11.15pm in the UK and I have spent my whole day since getting in from my run at 8am working on my business and my knowledge. Yes on a Sunday - yes every night when i get home from my office !!

I name this shill bozo of the week.

Arbitrage Conspiracy = TOTAL RIP OFF.

NEWBIE RAPING SCAM.

AS 'OUTED' IN DOZENS OF FORUMS ALREADY.

I'm surprise Jon doesn't out your IP so we can see which of those thieving cocksuckers you actually are.
 
Banned for what -

er... being a cocksucking shill?

er.. for being so stupid that you think you can sign up here and in your first post try to promote the lamest most embarrassing newbie raping piece of dogshite ever released?

er... read it fast or slow, shillboy, you're still getting banned.
 
er... being a cocksucking shill?

er.. for being so stupid that you think you can sign up here and in your first post try to promote the lamest most embarrassing newbie raping piece of dogshite ever released?

er... read it fast or slow, shillboy, you're still getting banned.

Another intelligent post well done Webferret - a good argument - well constructed .....

And the reason Jon won't give my IP is because if he checks it he will see that i am who i say I am - a lawyer in the U.K - and for the last time NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE WHO RUNS THE ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY !! - who if you knew anything at all are based in Canada !!

And I don't hide behind some stupid Forum name like WebFerret either !!!

Pathetic :ugone2far:
 
Another intelligent post well done Webferret - a good argument - well constructed .....

And the reason Jon won't give my IP is because if he checks it he will see that i am who i say I am - a lawyer in the U.K - and for the last time NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE WHO RUNS THE ARBITRAGE CONSPIRACY !! - who if you knew anything at all are based in Canada !!

And I don't hide behind some stupid Forum name like WebFerret either !!!

Pathetic :ugone2far:

For a newbie, and supposedly, an unpaid member of Arbitrage, you certainly go out of your way to defend them. And don't give me this principle shit, since attorneys are guns for fucking hire.

I say someone ban his ass, since the longer he is allowed to respond, the more Arbitrage propaganda he will spew.
 
AGE CONSPIRACY !! - who if you knew anything at all are based in Canada !!

And I don't hide behind some stupid Forum name like WebFerret either !!!

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maybe not. But you still suck cock


(shillboy)

I agree with otane. He's getting free publicity for his piece of fucking shit (arbitrage conspiracy - the biggest waste of money since 'get google ads free')
 
I watched some AC Videos today.
Pathetic... Brutal.. I'd be crying all the way to the bank if I paid money for this garbage.

The videos start with a bunch of success stories that sound just like Dick's comments.
 
any of these reasons alone would be enough for me to ban you, so pick one:

a) falling for arbitrage conspiracy and then trying to promote it to a forum of already successful people who know better
b) being a lawyer
c) being from the uk
 
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