This* Web Host - New Packages!

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Well, we were going to wait until we had some other big news for you and do an “all in one” type post, but unfortunately we’ve suffered a few setbacks in other areas and didn’t want to wait any longer to announce our new package changes.

1 Year Anniversary
this* is now almost a year old, and in that time we’ve received lots of great feedback from our clients on how we could potentially improve our service. We decided that given it’s been almost a year, we’d implement some of those changes to try and offer a much more balanced and appealing service to new (and potentially existing) customers.

Significantly More Bandwidth
Perhaps the biggest thing we noticed is that most of you wanted more bandwidth. I realize now that on reflection, the bandwidth-to-diskspace ratio was indeed a little low and definitely could’ve done with some improvement. The reason this wasn’t increased sooner was simply that we wanted to gauge how much the typical account really needed to make it worthwhile. What we really don’t want to happen is that people are forced to upgrade their accounts to the next tier in order to survive some unexpected traffic bursts. Given what the previous bandwidth quotas were, in some cases this was quite possible, and it did in fact even happen on occasion. So, here are the bandwidth improvements

Starter/Blog: Increased from 7.5GB to 25GB
Standard: Increased from 15GB to 60GB
Medium: Increased from 45GB to 150GB
Large: Increased from 90GB to 300GB
ULTRA: Increased from 180GB to 600GB

More Realistic Diskspace
Among some of the other comments we received, lots of people were suggesting that our disk space figures were a little on the large side, particularly in comparison to the allocated bandwidth, and that most of the space wasn’t even being used. We’ve also gone ahead and reduced the disk space quotas somewhat.

I know that some of you may think this is a negative change, and that we’re reducing the disk space quotas to compensate for the increase in bandwidth we’re giving out. I assure you that this is most definitely not true at all. Statistically, right now, over 95% of our clients are barely utilising even 25% of their purchased disk space. This rings true for the majority of hosting providers out there, so we’re definitely not alone in that regard. If anything, I think we may have even been over-jealous with our allocation of diskspace on the original packages. 7.5GB is a lot of diskspace to utilise for nothing but website data.

You may be asking yourself “What about those that use most of their disk space?”. Firstly, we are not forcing these new revised packages on our existing customers (please see further below for more on this), so this shouldn’t be an issue for you at all. Secondly, I feel very strongly that even with these reductions, our disk space offerings are more than adequate to meet the storage requirements of most typical websites without forcing them to sacrifice anything at all. Please bear in mind that web hosting is intended to be for the hosting of websites and their content, and not for the storage of personal files or large amounts of non-public data (ie a “dumping” ground). Let’s take a look at the changes:

Starter/Blog: Increased from 150MB to 200MB
Standard: Decreased from 750MB to 500MB
Medium: Decreased from 1.5GB to 1GB
Large: Decreased from 3.75GB to 2GB
ULTRA: Decreased from 7.5GB to 4GB

As you can see, most of the largest reductions come in at the higher end packages. At first this may look quite alarming, but according to our own statistics and the personal feedback we’ve received from our customers, this is unlikely to affect anyone at all.

Unlimited Databases, Addon Domains, Subdomains, E-mail Addresses
On a technical level, creating and running more addon domains and subdomains does actually increase (albeit only very slightly) the overall load on a server. One thing we’ve noticed thus far is that since we keep a very strict non-overselling regime, we have more than ample server load on our network remaining that we need not concern ourselves with restricting clients to the number of features they can have.

All packages above the “Starter/Blog” package now come with unlimited databases, unlimited addon domains, unlimited subdomains and unlimited e-mail addresses.

Note for Existing Customers
When you purchased hosting with us, you picked the package that you felt was adequate for your needs. Because of this, we are not going to force upgrade any of our existing customers to these new packages. All existing customers will have their current packages honoured from now and until the end of their hosting life with us.

If, on the other hand, you feel that the new packages are better suited for you and you would prefer to be moved onto them and obtain some of the newer improvements, we are more than happy to do this for you free of charge. Your monthly bill will not change, you will simply be moved onto the same named package but under the new tier.

Due to the way our package allocation system works, we are unable to take particular aspects of one package and merge them with another (ie increase your bandwidth but keep the diskspace the same).

Please Let us Know
We’ve made these changes based upon the collective feedback we’ve received over the last year. Unfortunately, in this business it’s impossible to please everyone and create the “perfect” package. We hope that you find these changes positive and improving your hosting experience with us, but as always we ask for your valued feedback.

To get in touch with us, you can either use our Forums, create a support ticket, or simply respond to this blog post telling us what you think. You can find an overview of the new packages at the following page:

ThisWebHost - Order

To sweeten the deal, we've also added a 50% discount if you enter in the coupon code THIS2009. (expires feb 1st)

if you want to let us know what you think, feel free to comment on our blog post.

Thanks!
David Myers
This Web Host
 


Yup, we provide shared hosting.

Ahh ok, by the way

On the Why Us Page said:
We're a REAL web host
We're not selling packages on a $20/month VPS we lease from some other company. We own our hardware, and use only real high powered servers to provide real hosting, just how it's meant to be.

Where can one get a 20/month VPS? Since spending 20/month on a VPS seems to make more sense than spending 25/month on a 2GB shared hosting plan.
 
Ahh ok, by the way


Where can one get a 20/month VPS? Since spending 20/month on a VPS seems to make more sense than spending 25/month on a 2GB shared hosting plan.
Hi kblessinggr,

Very good questions! Firstly, $20 VPS's would be the result of overselling. This causes a higher margin of risk, as the servers are overloaded. Overselling can also make your websites run slower.

With a $25/month shared hosting plan with this*, you're assured that we don't oversell, so everything should run much smoother. Basically, our shared hosting platform will produce better performance than a $20/VPS.

Here's an example of This* outperforming at $150/month VPS - Awesome!

I hope that answered your questions.
 
Hi kblessinggr,

Very good questions! Firstly, $20 VPS's would be the result of overselling. This causes a higher margin of risk, as the servers are overloaded. Overselling can also make your websites run slower.

With a $25/month shared hosting plan with this*, you're assured that we don't oversell, so everything should run much smoother. Basically, our shared hosting platform will produce better performance than a $20/VPS.

Here's an example of This* outperforming at $150/month VPS - Awesome!

I hope that answered your questions.

Think you kind of missed the point of the difference between a VPS and shared hosting. A VPS guarantees that resource, they can't oversell what they don't have. If they could not guarantee x amount of space and x amount of memory, then it would not be a VPS. Example, I pay bout 50/month for a VPS that has a guaranteed 512MB of rams... that memory is guaranteed and cannot be used by anyone else on the server, so I would never get slowed down as a result of some other account sucking up resources I paid for, it would not be a VPS otherwise.

Also that's just one user's account of a VPS experience, with no mention of who. if they spent 150 for a VPS, they could have gotten a cheap dedicated for a little more. Also being shared hosting, can they still be garanteed the same performance when someone else starts using the resources a little heavily?

Also ZenSix doesn't oversell either, and they give 1.5gb with cpanel on shared hosting for 30/year.

Honestly I wouldn't be saying anything if you weren't trying to compare the shared accounts as "real hosting" compared to VPS.
 
Think you kind of missed the point of the difference between a VPS and shared hosting. A VPS guarantees that resource, they can't oversell what they don't have. If they could not guarantee x amount of space and x amount of memory, then it would not be a VPS. Example, I pay bout 50/month for a VPS that has a guaranteed 512MB of rams... that memory is guaranteed and cannot be used by anyone else on the server, so I would never get slowed down as a result of some other account sucking up resources I paid for, it would not be a VPS otherwise.

Also that's just one user's account of a VPS experience, with no mention of who. if they spent 150 for a VPS, they could have gotten a cheap dedicated for a little more. Also being shared hosting, can they still be garanteed the same performance when someone else starts using the resources a little heavily?

Also ZenSix doesn't oversell either, and they give 1.5gb with cpanel on shared hosting for 30/year.

Honestly I wouldn't be saying anything if you weren't trying to compare the shared accounts as "real hosting" compared to VPS.

A VPS doesn't guarantee any minimum resources at all, it only guarantees an independant set of resources away from everyone else so that you can have your own custom and "clean" environment.

How do you prove that your memory is 512MB of actual physical RAM, and not 512MB of some swap partition? Nothing is guaranteed on a VPS, you're just sold on the image that it is. They're nothing more than a marketing ploy to essentially say "Hey, we're better than shared because you get your own resources", but neglect to mention that those resources are also shared amongst everyone else on the same hardware node. Wait... isn't that just shared hosting anyway?

That's not to say all VPS's are like that, just a lot of them. Do the math yourself, an $8000 server selling VPS's at $20/month? How many to break even?
 
A VPS doesn't guarantee any minimum resources at all, it only guarantees an independant set of resources away from everyone else so that you can have your own custom and "clean" environment.

So how is an "independant set" different than "minimum resources"?

How do you prove that your memory is 512MB of actual physical RAM, and not 512MB of some swap partition? Nothing is guaranteed on a VPS, you're just sold on the image that it is. They're nothing more than a marketing ploy to essentially say "Hey, we're better than shared because you get your own resources", but neglect to mention that those resources are also shared amongst everyone else on the same hardware node.

Because it tells me right in WHM how much % of rams I use, and how much % of swap space I use, and if the Rams isn't up over 100, then the swap space never gets used. Like I said, it's not a VPS if you don't have your own actual set of resources. What you're describing is something like a shared reseller account.

That's not to say all VPS's are like that, just a lot of them. Do the math yourself, an $8000 server selling VPS's at $20/month? How many to break even?

And I wasn't specifically saying a 20$ VPS, but just that if one exists, it would be better than shared hosting without any kind of "independent set" of resources from others. How many 25/month shared plans do you have to sell to break even on a 8000$ server?

For your pitch, you could simply said "We're not just leasing packages from data centers. We own our hardware, and use only real high powered servers to provide real hosting, just how it's meant to be." , and that would would have cut down on a lot of scrutiny.

Cuz it doesn't matter how you spin it , VPS > Shared.
 
We seem to be straying far from the point at hand, which is to promote our new packages. I'm more than happy to continue a technical discussion of why (we believe) our shared hosting is better than the majority of VPS packages, but in a much more appropriate place such as our forums, since it has far more relevance there.
 
We seem to be straying far from the point at hand, which is to promote our new packages. I'm more than happy to continue a technical discussion of why (we believe) our shared hosting is better than the majority of VPS packages, but in a much more appropriate place such as our forums, since it has far more relevance there.

I'd probably get banned there asking why spend 35/month for a 4gb shared plan when for the same price I can get a 10gb vps w/ 256mb guaranteed rams. (you opened the door when trying to compare a vps to shared hosting.)

Anywho, I asked what I asked, and you answered with what you felt was the appropriate rebuttal. I still think you're confused on exactly what separates a VPS from shared hosting and may be confusing it with how some shared hosting providers give reseller packages (kinda like hostgator).

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