eAdvertising - Still not paid

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mj1133 said:
He give any reason?
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He said the point of residuals was to keep people on the acai berry 500 offer. I continued to oush it for about 3 months, then went to a different offer.

About a month after I stopped promoting it, he said I wasn't getting my residuals because I didn't stay on the offer..

Does that make any sense? Anyone else been told that?
 


I remember another network also offered residuals so I ran it for a while but it didn't convert well so I switched off pretty quick. Therefore I'm not too worried about it, but if you guys are just wanting to check the status of it, I think it was CX Digital so you could ask them as well. Don't hold me to that though, I was running with a lot of networks back then so it may not have been them. Maybe someone else can confirm.
 
Here I am pretending to be an advertiser wanting to work with eads..
notice the time stamps.





And... my AIM..



I remmeber I told ryan from Copeac I was changing my traffic because of the residuals, and he told me from the get go they wouldn't pay...

wish I would have listened to him.
 
Pr0xyhub said:
Here I am pretending to be an advertiser wanting to work with eads..
notice the time stamps.





And... my AIM..



I remmeber I told ryan from Copeac I was changing my traffic because of the residuals, and he told me from the get go they wouldn't pay...

wish I would have listened to him.
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Wow, eads are a fucking joke lmfao. Winnar winnar, chicken dinnar!
 
NO RECCURINGZ FOR U.

[16:44] gkpai1: http://www.wickedfire.com/affiliate-marketing/47820-eadvertising-still-not-paid-2.html
[16:44] gkpai1: What's up with residuals on power 500?
[16:44] Laurenkolo: the advertiser is skipping out on them it seems
[16:44] Laurenkolo: they have been completely shady about everything
[16:45] Laurenkolo: RELLY annoying cause it make us look bad
[16:45] Laurenkolo: i mean, we got all excited about being able to offer this'
[16:45] Laurenkolo: and now this
 
thunderlips said:
post entire convo or GTFO.

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you want the entire convo? i left it out because it was useless garbage.. but since you want it..

(12:45:32 PM) Flyapart2: well we didn't get paid, so that's probably not going to happen until we get paid.
(12:45:36 PM) Flyapart2: Plus,
(12:46:52 PM) Justin: oh really?
(12:46:58 PM) Justin: you do realize
(12:47:04 PM) Justin: no one is going to run with eads
(12:47:05 PM) Justin: anymore
(12:47:08 PM) Justin: if you don't pay them
(12:47:17 PM) Flyapart2: well it
(12:47:52 PM) Flyapart2: it's not really realistic to think that we would financially back up something like that.
(12:48:00 PM) Flyapart2: We take extremely slim margins
(12:48:08 PM) Flyapart2: and pay our pubs weekly
(12:48:11 PM) Justin: well, that's your problem not mine
(12:48:21 PM) Justin: neverblueads has fronted me 36k
(12:48:30 PM) Justin: for an advertiser that didn't pay anything
(12:48:43 PM) Flyapart2: oh really? what advertiser?
(12:48:55 PM) Justin: some home loan
(12:48:56 PM) Justin: and
(12:48:59 PM) Justin: they jumped ship
(12:49:00 PM) Justin: went to cx
(12:49:01 PM) Justin: ran it there
(12:49:09 PM) Justin: and they didn;'t end up paying CX 10k either
(12:49:12 PM) Justin: that CX paid me
(12:49:52 PM) Flyapart2: so it's a home loan offer?
(12:49:57 PM) Flyapart2: lead generation?
(12:50:15 PM) Justin: yes
(12:50:17 PM) Justin: this was about a year ago
(12:50:27 PM) Flyapart2: what was the URl?
(12:50:47 PM) Justin: Apply
(12:50:50 PM) Justin: you think im makin this up?
(12:50:59 PM) Flyapart2: no, just interested
(12:51:56 PM) Flyapart2: so these guys, lending gateway, are non-payers, good to know
(12:52:35 PM) Justin: yeah
(12:52:41 PM) Justin: i dont think they tried anymore
(12:52:42 PM) Justin: after CX
(12:53:52 PM) Flyapart2: So the long and short of this situation, is that we never knew how much the residuals were actually going to be worth.
(12:53:56 PM) Flyapart2: You were paid all of your CPA for the offer
(12:54:06 PM) Justin: yeah
(12:54:09 PM) Justin: iw as
(12:54:48 PM) Flyapart2: This extra amount was never a concrete amount
(12:54:56 PM) Flyapart2: and we never recieved it
(12:55:09 PM) Justin: ohh i see
(12:55:14 PM) Justin: the amount was flexible
(12:55:20 PM) Justin: so anywhere from 0% - 3%
(12:55:21 PM) Justin: gotcha
(12:55:49 PM) Flyapart2: it was supposed to be based on the rebill percentage of your traffic for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th months
(12:56:22 PM) Flyapart2: I mean,
(12:57:09 PM) Flyapart2: you stopped running traffic a long time ago
(12:57:39 PM) Justin: yeah
(12:57:41 PM) Justin: i did
(12:57:49 PM) Justin: i wanted to get my rebill commision
(12:57:54 PM) Justin: my roi was better on other offers
(12:57:54 PM) Flyapart2: so you quit?
(12:57:59 PM) Justin: uhm yes.
(12:58:35 PM) Flyapart2: well no one can blame you for going elsewhere for a better ROI,
(12:59:00 PM) Justin: except you guys
(12:59:01 PM) Justin: right?
(12:59:42 PM) Flyapart2: why would we blame you?
(12:59:52 PM) Justin: well you said a while ago
(12:59:58 PM) Justin: i wouldnt be getting residuals
(1:00:02 PM) Justin: because i stopped running the offer
(1:00:09 PM) Justin: after 2 months
(1:00:18 PM) Justin: sounds kind of crazy to me
(1:00:26 PM) Flyapart2: but you only ran it for like 10 days
(1:00:45 PM) Justin: lol
(1:00:50 PM) Justin: i ran it more than 10 daysw
(1:00:53 PM) Justin: i ran it for 2 months
(1:00:54 PM) Justin: plus
(1:01:01 PM) Flyapart2: ok, dedicated traffic for 10 days
(1:01:08 PM) Flyapart2: and we paid you the CPA on that
(1:01:11 PM) Justin: yeah
(1:01:14 PM) Justin: you did
(1:01:19 PM) Justin: im not bitching about not being paid
(1:01:20 PM) Justin: on the cpa
(1:01:23 PM) Flyapart2: and the highest CPA we offer
(1:01:31 PM) Flyapart2: right
(1:01:39 PM) Justin: so why do you keep bringing that up?
(1:01:41 PM) Justin: i don't understand.
(1:01:53 PM) Flyapart2: because you did get paid that much
(1:02:02 PM) Justin: lol
(1:02:08 PM) Justin: i didn't get paid my residuals*
(1:02:19 PM) Justin: not "that much"
(1:02:19 PM) Justin: lol
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(12:39:17 PM) mdingn: Just what I've heard, at least.
(12:39:51 PM) mdingn: I'm still interested in running the offer with you guys.
(12:39:55 PM) mdingn: I know you treat advertisers well.
(12:42:16 PM) mdingn: Alright, just signed up.
(12:42:21 PM) mdingn: Jacob Dahl is on the account name.
(12:42:30 PM) mdingn: If you want to approve me, or whatever.
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Just to be clear here- we have not received any residual money from Crush Llc (the advertiser), so we're not holding any money out from our affiliates. How are we supposed to pay money when we have no idea how your traffic backed out? It could have had a high rebill amount, or not. Justin, you got paid for the traffic, yet you bring up a situation with Neverblue fronting money- it's not the same situation. That's a concrete number showing up in your stats, whether the advertiser paid or not. You're asking for some variable amount that we don't know. We're not avoiding questions- feel free to call or im us. I'll add my aol sn too: mariapullela.
 
bittersweetmp said:
Just to be clear here- we have not received any residual money from Crush Llc (the advertiser), so we're not holding any money out from our affiliates.
How are we supposed to pay money when we have no idea how your traffic backed out? It could have had a high rebill amount, or not. Justin, you got paid
for the traffic, yet you bring up a situation with Neverblue fronting money- it's not the same situation. That's a concrete number showing up in your
stats, whether the advertiser paid or not. You're asking for some variable amount that we don't know. We're not avoiding questions- feel free to call
or im us. I'll add my aol sn too: mariapullela.
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shut up

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bittersweetmp said:
Just to be clear here- we have not received any residual money from Crush Llc (the advertiser), so we're not holding any money out from our affiliates.
How are we supposed to pay money when we have no idea how your traffic backed out? It could have had a high rebill amount, or not. Justin, you got paid
for the traffic, yet you bring up a situation with Neverblue fronting money- it's not the same situation. That's a concrete number showing up in your
stats, whether the advertiser paid or not. You're asking for some variable amount that we don't know. We're not avoiding questions- feel free to call
or im us. I'll add my aol sn too: mariapullela.
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Sue them?
 
bittersweetmp said:
Just to be clear here- we have not received any residual money from Crush Llc (the advertiser), so we're not holding any money out from our affiliates. How are we supposed to pay money when we have no idea how your traffic backed out? It could have had a high rebill amount, or not. Justin, you got paid for the traffic, yet you bring up a situation with Neverblue fronting money- it's not the same situation. That's a concrete number showing up in your stats, whether the advertiser paid or not. You're asking for some variable amount that we don't know. We're not avoiding questions- feel free to call or im us. I'll add my aol sn too: mariapullela.
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I think it's safe to assume that 101% of the people stayed on the rebil.
 
What I've been saying from the start is that Crush LLC is some shady stuff, and that the FTC would eventually catch up to them for at least the false advertising claims (no FDA has not evaluated claims line, bad billing practices), and guess what... It did! I wouldn't be the least surprised if their FTC lawsuit/settlement has something to do with this. Maybe Jason from Crush LLC/JAB can come back here and defend themselves....
 
I kinda do see where eads is coming from. If they had no idea how your traffic converted, it's kind of hard to pay out an exact amount.

That being said, they should have at least compensated , however small an amount, to keep their affiliates happy.
 
Spendlessly - you say you ran a rebill offer with residuals in the same market right? What was the overall rebill percentage? Raw stats or residual revenue as a percentage of CPA revenue would probably be best.

This at least gives us and eAds a number to work with.
 
The offer I ran to base that claim on was a 20 day colon rebill. The rebill rate has to be very close to 100% because almost every lead turns into a residual. On top of that, a select few stay on for 2 and even 3 months.

Overall it amounts to just a little over 1 residual per lead.

The icing on the cake is that the rachel ray offer was WAAAY harder to cancel, so they probably had a ton more 2nd and 3rd month rebills than the colon offer.
 
Spendlessly said:
The offer I ran to base that claim on was a 20 day colon rebill. The rebill rate has to be very close to 100% because almost every lead turns into a residual. On top of that, a select few stay on for 2 and even 3 months.

Overall it amounts to just a little over 1 residual per lead.

The icing on the cake is that the rachel ray offer was WAAAY harder to cancel, so they probably had a ton more 2nd and 3rd month rebills than the colon offer.
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No offer rebills at 100%- 55%-65% is considered high. I'm not quite sure where you got that information.
 
Bittersweet - "No offer" is a big generalization. Offers with 10-14 day rebills, hidden terms, extremely poor customer service and ongoing, increasing monthly residuals may very well average out at around 100%. And he got that information through experience.
 
It might not be a 100% rebill on the first month - but the concurrent months that some people stay on past the first month make up for the people who cancel before the second billing.

And that's not the fucking point. The point - and moral of this story is: Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash.
 
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