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no, it's not 15!, it'd be based on the statistical combination, depending on how many combinations you want. if you're making two-option combinations of 15 possibilities total, the total number of combinations is:
15!/(2!(15-2)!) = 105 combinations of two, out of 15 possibilities.
0.45c min bids? (or the CPM equivalent) That's fucking cheap.
$400 min per campaign? That's about average for what I spend testing a new traffic source and have spent much, much more.
What the fuck do you guys want? You have to spend money to make money in this game - you haven't worked that out yet?
Not that I'm saying the traffic is good, I haven't tried it but discounting it because it's min $400 with 0.45c clicks... shit. If you can't afford $400 for testing a new traffic source on an exiting campaign, then get the fuck out of the game.
$400 min per campaign? That's about average for what I spend testing a new traffic source and have spent much, much more.
What the fuck do you guys want? You have to spend money to make money in this game - you haven't worked that out yet?
Not that I'm saying the traffic is good, I haven't tried it but discounting it because it's min $400 with 0.45c clicks... shit. If you can't afford $400 for testing a new traffic source on an exiting campaign, then get the fuck out of the game.
45 cents a click on social traffic is expensive. Especially when that's the BARE MINIMUM.
I can't name a single other social network where the minimum is 45 cents, and I sure as hell wouldn't pay that for any social traffic.
A $400 minimum is very steep if you're promoting a low-payout offer. If I want to try and promote true.com at $4 a lead, if I'm seeing a 1% conversion rate I sure as fuck don't want to be forced to spend a full $400.
If it was $100, or even MAYBE $200 I'd consider it, but unless I'm promoting a rebill, I normally don't go near $400 when doing initial testing.
edit: plus the number of users is really low. If I'm going to be paying a premium, I want to be able to potentially spend $xx,xxx per day. 6.5 million uniques per month? Facebook has 60-odd million people over 18.
I can't name a single other social network where the minimum is 45 cents, and I sure as hell wouldn't pay that for any social traffic.
A $400 minimum is very steep if you're promoting a low-payout offer. If I want to try and promote true.com at $4 a lead, if I'm seeing a 1% conversion rate I sure as fuck don't want to be forced to spend a full $400.
If it was $100, or even MAYBE $200 I'd consider it, but unless I'm promoting a rebill, I normally don't go near $400 when doing initial testing.
edit: plus the number of users is really low. If I'm going to be paying a premium, I want to be able to potentially spend $xx,xxx per day. 6.5 million uniques per month? Facebook has 60-odd million people over 18.
So don't use this traffic source to promote offers with a low EPC!
And I'm not sure they would even let you promote another dating site on there anyway.
Personally it sets off flags in my head when the person knowingly could do affiliate marketing, has unlimited inventory of his own, yet wants to let others try it and he'll make either more off it because conversions sucked, or less because we would be profitable to run it... eek.
go for it. a ghetto dating site appealing to the "free crowd" isn't on the top of my list with .45 min clicks.
When you've got it like him, time is more valuable than more money. Why waste his time working, when he can let aff's do it for him. Or as someone else mentioned, he can collect data for now...
It's so funny... I met him in Miami at iDate and it was amazing to see every single person that came up to him had advice for him on how he should do it. Not one regular conversation, only non-gestault, one way conversations.
But if you read anything about him... He's happy. Makes over $10M a year. Just hired his first employee last year... And works like 4 hours a week. Oh, and he's had huge offers to be bought out.
Yet, everyone feels that he's "Doing it wrong."
Ha.
(trust me, I have my own things too that I'd love to tell him.)
Respect.
Personally, I think that's the formula. Some around here might disagree, but I would rather knock down 10M a year with 1 employee and work 4 hrs a day, then have to work 80hr weeks, manage 50+ people and make 30M a year.
That's just my personal preference. You can always make more money, no one can make more time.
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Hey guys Markus here from plentyoffish...,
The ad rates are in CPM. If you guys know what you are doing you can run 4 ads in a single ad slot as we take html ads as well. Here is a sample
http://www.plentyoffish.com/samplead.html Each text link may only make 30 cent/CPM but if you combine them all its 90 cents.
The second ad on there is also a custom ad that i run internally and it earns around $200,000 a month and appears on the bottom of some pages.
In the perfect world i'd run all these direct but with over 80 million pageviews a day and 3 major countries putting up affiliate ads all day is not something I want to do.
Now as for targetting users take hundreds of questions in surveys and those can be targetted. Also you can use this feature to find out things about people
Interests by Demographic for instance short people don't play poker so exclude them. Also each page of the site converts differently for every offer you run and the CTR's vary wildy to per section of the site.
I've also set up a white label dating site as a test and promoted it nowhere but my site. For every person on my site that clicks through and registers there are 3 people that go to google search and register. You can make a killing if you are able to measure viewthoughs and accurately track where conversions are really coming from.
I am working on building a self service platform that will show conversions per demographic as well as CTR's etc but its going to take some time...
Hey guys Markus here from plentyoffish...,
The ad rates are in CPM. If you guys know what you are doing you can run 4 ads in a single ad slot as we take html ads as well. Here is a sample
http://www.plentyoffish.com/samplead.html Each text link may only make 30 cent/CPM but if you combine them all its 90 cents.
The second ad on there is also a custom ad that i run internally and it earns around $200,000 a month and appears on the bottom of some pages.
In the perfect world i'd run all these direct but with over 80 million pageviews a day and 3 major countries putting up affiliate ads all day is not something I want to do.
Now as for targetting users take hundreds of questions in surveys and those can be targetted. Also you can use this feature to find out things about people
Interests by Demographic for instance short people don't play poker so exclude them. Also each page of the site converts differently for every offer you run and the CTR's vary wildy to per section of the site.
I've also set up a white label dating site as a test and promoted it nowhere but my site. For every person on my site that clicks through and registers there are 3 people that go to google search and register. You can make a killing if you are able to measure viewthoughs and accurately track where conversions are really coming from.
I am working on building a self service platform that will show conversions per demographic as well as CTR's etc but its going to take some time...