Caffeine-Free Jack3d Equiv?

machinecontrol said:
The key ingredient in Jack3d that actually helps you concentrate is 1,3 dimethylamylamine. You can get it is capsule form at bodybuilding.com and elsewhere. All of the focus/concentration/stimulant effects of Jack3d, none of the caffeine jitters or creatine water loss.

Definitely an improvement. Not as good as adderall, but still pretty effective.
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Went ahead and ordered the 1,3 dimethylamylamine based on your recommendation. For anyone else who's interested, it's 25% off at bodybuilding.com. Total was $22 after promo code for 200 25mg capsules. (bodybuilding.com/store/bcs/13dimethylamylamine.html)
 


After reading all the crap about it on this forum, I ordered Jack3d and 1,3 dimethylamylamine from Bodybuilding.com about a week and a half ago to compare.

FWIW - I am 28, female, 128 lbs and drink coffee or espresso (black, straight) regularly.

Jack3d:
Definitely gives you a strong 'tingling' sensation. I experienced this with previous rounds of SuperPump (I go to the gym. A lot.) but unlike SuperPump, didn't feel a bad 'withdrawal' or experience any heart palpitations. Bonus. I didn't drink coffee the first day I took it, I took one scoop (since I weigh less than the average male) and experienced increased productivity and energy days 1-2. By day 3, 1 scoop was not doing much for me beside the tingling sensation and after about 3-4 hours of the last dose I felt like I was crashing hard. Sleepy at 4 p.m. hard. This is unusual.

Took the weekend off- no supplements.

1,3 dimethylamylamine (Body Conditioning Solutions):
Started this on Monday w/ 25 mg. Again, no additional stimulants in the form of coffee or caffeine.

Noticed immediately that, unlike my normal ADD flipping back and forth between multiple screens / conversations/ twitter... I was completely monofocused on one thing and one thing only for about four hours. This was a total perk. No tingling sensation, no weird heart palpitations. I definitely experienced an increase in metabolism, which I wasn't expecting- felt hot in long sleeves and was unusually hungry by lunch. Tuesday same effect. Wed (yesterday), I took 25mg @ 9 and another 25mg around 1 p.m. This was a bit better for sustained concentration but the second round was markedly shorter than the first. This morning I took 50mg @ 9 and, as of this writing (12:30) I feel no effects whatsoever. Just warm/ high metabolism for about an hour and a half and I probably would have gotten a lot more coding done if my power hadn't gone out this morning.

In sum:

Jack3d may be more beneficial if used on an empty stomach. That definitely enhanced sensation. It may also be better if you are not used to a regular dose of stimulants in the form of caffeine or other. For me, the effect was minimal and the tingliness was distracting. The effects were also mitigated after 3 days of sustained use with an increasingly bad 'crash' of wanting to sleep and being utterly unmotivated about 4-6 hours after dosage.

1,3 dimethylamylamine, for actual concentration and focus (for those of us who aren't on adderall) was much better for me. In the future I may continue to use this product but will do so with a combination of regular caffeine intake and will probably reserve it (and, hopefully, its potent effect) for need-to-get-this-done now projects or end-of-the-month campaign work.

YMMV, of course, but this was my experience as someone who comes from a normal coffee-in-the-morning routine.
 
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phillian said:
This morning I took 50mg @ 9 and, as of this writing (12:30) I feel no effects whatsoever.
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You mean you feel no side effects? Or no effect of the actual substance? Cause I would think 3 days is an awfully short amount of time to build a tolerance and would pretty much render it useless if that were true. Is it also possible that the sustain focus is becoming more common for you so less noticeable? I guess the way to test would be to go without it for a few days and see if you notice going back to a lack of focus.

Nice comparison between the two, btw. +rep for that.

Edit: What's your height?
 
turbolapp said:
You mean you feel no side effects? Or no effect of the actual substance? Cause I would think 3 days is an awfully short amount of time to build a tolerance and would pretty much render it useless if that were true. Is it also possible that the sustain focus is becoming more common for you so less noticeable? I guess the way to test would be to see if you notice going back to a lack of focus without for a few days.

Nice comparision between the two, btw. +rep for that.
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Jack3d definitely had the fastest acceleration to tolerance of any supplement I've ever taken. I was hoping that 1,3 dimethylamylamine would be a more sustained 'focus' and in comparison to Jack3d it most certainly was. But, as a coffee drinker, I found the lack of caffeine probably dampened my ability to concentrate since I am used to daily caffeine stimulation.

Going forward- if I wanted the effect of 1,3 dimethylamylamine to sustain over time I would either:

a. Stop drinking coffee/ espresso altogether (after time, when your body gets used to not having that stimulus anymore it 'resets' and you don't get the crash you get if you are a regular coffee drinker without coffee), or
b. Take it in some combination with coffee.

I am going to try taking it tomorrow with coffee and I'll report back whether or not I find my concentration level sustained more consistently with the normal stimulus.

I didn't try working out with Jack3d... maybe I'll find that the tingly sensation is actually some form of NO booster and enhances performance in the weight room. I certainly wouldn't take Jack3d and do anything that greatly increases your heart rate- such as high-tempo cardio- but that's just me. Maybe my heart is more sensitive to stimulation than others.

The best comparison I can think of with Jack3d is somewhat similar to early versions of Animal Cuts I took in college- when it still contained Ephedra. I'm certain that if I had taken it with my normal amount of coffee I would have had the jitters.
 
phillian said:
I am 5'4". And a half.

(That extra half inch is very important when you're short).
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Nah. I'm 5'8" and 3/4. That 3/4 is extremely important. I was almost 5"9 Damnit. Course if I was 5'9" and 3/4 maybe I would feel inadequate about not being 5'10".

But if I were to look on the bright side my back issues lowered me to 5'8 and 1/2 but with PT I've gotten my 1/4 inch back. Woot!
 
This thread is awesome, thanks guys (and girls).

Ordered Jack3d recently and will get some 1,3 dimethylamylamine to compare based on this thread.

<edit>Anyone know a source for dimethylamylamine in the UK?</edit>
 
^^
Same here.
With the postal strikes don't know if I'll get it until end of next week though.
 
Just thought I'd update the thread with what I think of dimethylamylamine aka geranamine.

Got it this morning - looked like a fucking mail bomb but got some free dodgy looking pills and a pen so I'm happy.

The pills smell like cat piss btw.

Took one and for me it felt like extremely mild weed with a small burst of energy. It does give you tunnel vision and kinda makes you go indside you head. Took another one a while ago and didn't feel much at all, although I am getting a bunch done.

I find Jack3d better for going super speed and getting a metric shit ton of work done, but because you're buzzing away when it fades you crash.

With Geranamine I'm getting a decent amount done, just not as muched as Jack3d. It recommends on the pack not to take more than 4 pills in 4 hours, or 4 pills in 24 hours but I'll see how it goes. The really good thing with this copared to jack3d is that I'm not pissing like a racehorse every 5 minutes then drinking a pint of water becasue there's no creatine.

It does say that to aviod desentivisation to the effect you should't take more than 3 times a week, which is fair because if you've got to take this everyday you've probably got bigger problems than your workload :)

I'll take another 2 now.
 
SpamHat said:
Took one and for me it felt like extremely mild weed with a small burst of energy. It does give you tunnel vision and kinda makes you go indside you head. Took another one a while ago and didn't feel much at all, although I am getting a bunch done.
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Yep, my experiences are similar to that. Two capsules get me all mellow for 3-4 hours, and the effect fades very slowly. It's a pretty nice feeling, actually.

Productivity is up, but I seem to lose trains of thought easier than if I just drink coffee. On the other hand, distractions seem nowhere near as tempting as when high on caffeine.

I usually have a snack between lunch and dinner, but that didn't even cross my mind. Pretty strong appetite suppressing effect for me.

Also, I have a pleasant tingling sensation in some parts of the skin, which makes me think that getting a massage after two of these things might be worth trying out.

Recommended.
 
just got a bottle of 1,3 dimethylamylamine from Primaforce. popped 2 capsules and didn't feel anything at all.

there are no recommends dosage on the bottle..how many capsules should i take everyday? (there are 25 milligrams in each capsules)
 
sampunk said:
just got a bottle of 1,3 dimethylamylamine from Primaforce. popped 2 capsules and didn't feel anything at all.

there are no recommends dosage on the bottle..how many capsules should i take everyday? (there are 25 milligrams in each capsules)
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My capsules are 40 mg, and two of them are enough for me to get a decent effect. It says on the box that you shouldn't exceed 4 capsules in a 4 hour period and/or 4 capsules in a 24 hour period, so for your capsules I guess that means 7-8 of them.
How about popping 4 and then see what happens?
 
after taking it for a week i start to feel it. more concentration and energy.

but at the same time i also lost my appetize and my tongue feel funny
 
Jack3d works well but tastes like absolute shit, any ideas on how to drain out the disgusting taste?
 
^^ Don't think it tastes that bad.

What flavor have you got?
Try the Lemon-Lime.
 
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