Show Me Your Guns
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Concerning concealed firearms , there's a few RSS feeds out there that consist only of incidents where people use their concealed firearm to defend themselves. Interestingly enough, it's almost a daily occurrence , in my area alone we've had 3-4 in the past 2 months or so.
I'd rather have a chance to defend myself and my family, rather than just lying down to the likes of a criminal.
I hate to break it to everyone, but laws are made for people who abide by them , and regardless of what your local laws are (Whether you live in the US, UK , NZ , AU , ect) there are people that carry guns around you every single day concealed, you just don't know about them.
Guns & explosives are so easy to make and procure, even in countries that have strict regulation. Criminals don't care about whether pistols are banned in your area, they're criminals!
So, in the light of the fact that from some estimates , in the US (Even in states that have strict regulations and it is illegal to carry a firearm concealed or otherwise) that 5% of the population carries a concealed firearm. I would prefer to be armed...........unlike what movies tell you, or your liberal media states, guns don't go off on accident , nor do they fire when you drop them, ect. A firearm shoots because you pull the trigger, nothing else , overall they're safer than cars, I can guarantee you. Something like 80 million guns are owned by people in the US , yet only around 500 incidents occur every year of someone negligently shooting someone (Also called "Accidental discharge" which is a misnomer as firearms don't go off accidentally).
In my state of Ohio , there are well over 250,000 people who LEGALLY carry firearms concealed. The estimate for people who carry firearms is something along the lines of 500,000 to 750,000 depending on what data you read, and I can tell you now , more people carry without a permit/training ,ect than do.
In my county alone, over 750 people carry a concealed firearm (This is out of 52,000 people). Having said that , I have yet to see a firearm in public outside of the occasional shotgun while someone is hunting, or the sidearm of a policeman. However, I have been informed by more than one person they were carrying a gun on them, and I would have never known they were.
There's lots of crazy people out there, and believe it or not, London England has a higher violent crime rate than Detroit Michigan, so even Europe has problems too.
As for my personal carry gun, I picked a FNP45 which is a full sized 45 caliber pistol, I picked it for a few reasons.
It's the highest capacity 45 available - It holds 15 rounds of 45 , which is IMO tied for the best automatic handgun round available (Tied with 10mm). It's a full sized pistol, which means it's a bit harder to conceal, however since i'm a larger guy , it's much easier. My uncle has been involved in 2 fatal shootings in FL. The first one he used a 9mm , the second one was a 45, in the first incident, he was unable to kill the bad guy immediately after putting 3 rounds which all struck his heart, the guy lasted something like 30 seconds without a working heart (PCP). The second one he used a 45 caliber glock with less quality shots (Although he hit the perp 4 times) and it was a immediate kill. There's quite a few brands of 45 ammo out there that will make it through 12" of simulated human tissue w/ clothing, and the one I picked will do that and expand to .80-.90 (almost a inch). The FNP was designed to compete for the US military's new 45 caliber pistol trial, so it's pretty darn reliable. In a shooting , your accuracy goes down quite a bit, so I did like the 15 rounds of 45 without a reload.
I'd rather have a chance to defend myself and my family, rather than just lying down to the likes of a criminal.
I hate to break it to everyone, but laws are made for people who abide by them , and regardless of what your local laws are (Whether you live in the US, UK , NZ , AU , ect) there are people that carry guns around you every single day concealed, you just don't know about them.
Guns & explosives are so easy to make and procure, even in countries that have strict regulation. Criminals don't care about whether pistols are banned in your area, they're criminals!
So, in the light of the fact that from some estimates , in the US (Even in states that have strict regulations and it is illegal to carry a firearm concealed or otherwise) that 5% of the population carries a concealed firearm. I would prefer to be armed...........unlike what movies tell you, or your liberal media states, guns don't go off on accident , nor do they fire when you drop them, ect. A firearm shoots because you pull the trigger, nothing else , overall they're safer than cars, I can guarantee you. Something like 80 million guns are owned by people in the US , yet only around 500 incidents occur every year of someone negligently shooting someone (Also called "Accidental discharge" which is a misnomer as firearms don't go off accidentally).
In my state of Ohio , there are well over 250,000 people who LEGALLY carry firearms concealed. The estimate for people who carry firearms is something along the lines of 500,000 to 750,000 depending on what data you read, and I can tell you now , more people carry without a permit/training ,ect than do.
In my county alone, over 750 people carry a concealed firearm (This is out of 52,000 people). Having said that , I have yet to see a firearm in public outside of the occasional shotgun while someone is hunting, or the sidearm of a policeman. However, I have been informed by more than one person they were carrying a gun on them, and I would have never known they were.
There's lots of crazy people out there, and believe it or not, London England has a higher violent crime rate than Detroit Michigan, so even Europe has problems too.
As for my personal carry gun, I picked a FNP45 which is a full sized 45 caliber pistol, I picked it for a few reasons.
It's the highest capacity 45 available - It holds 15 rounds of 45 , which is IMO tied for the best automatic handgun round available (Tied with 10mm). It's a full sized pistol, which means it's a bit harder to conceal, however since i'm a larger guy , it's much easier. My uncle has been involved in 2 fatal shootings in FL. The first one he used a 9mm , the second one was a 45, in the first incident, he was unable to kill the bad guy immediately after putting 3 rounds which all struck his heart, the guy lasted something like 30 seconds without a working heart (PCP). The second one he used a 45 caliber glock with less quality shots (Although he hit the perp 4 times) and it was a immediate kill. There's quite a few brands of 45 ammo out there that will make it through 12" of simulated human tissue w/ clothing, and the one I picked will do that and expand to .80-.90 (almost a inch). The FNP was designed to compete for the US military's new 45 caliber pistol trial, so it's pretty darn reliable. In a shooting , your accuracy goes down quite a bit, so I did like the 15 rounds of 45 without a reload.
I'm just stating that there are of areas of the UK that aren't as peaceful as some people would like to lead on, so don't tell me that making firearms illegal , or near it makes a society/country free of crime.
Also , I'll admit to owning these.
Wow.
It's easy to forget, but threads like this make me realise how different US and UK are culturally.
It's easy to forget, but threads like this make me realise how different US and UK are culturally.
Mossberg 500 Persuader, Remington 700 (.308), Smith & Wesson M&P15, and AK-47
Epic Win. All of these firearms kick ass.
well at least most Americans have a quick solution on their hands to quickly end their lifes, just in case it was certain that a big asteroid is about to hit earth., we need more guns in France!
I want an FN-FAL so fucking bad. post pics if you can, that's a damn sweet rifle.
I guess I can't really speak for the others who have guns, but I own mine for recreational reasons. I love going down to the gun club and sending rounds down range. I guess it's also nice to know that I have them in case something ever does happen, but that's not the reason I purchased them.
Three of my rifles were good learning experiences - I learned how to assemble a rifle from scratch and how they worked. Like literally how every internal piece worked, the finishing required (parkerizing, etc) and the machine tolerances for head spacing, etc.
Now I own them for a fraction of what it would cost to have bought them outright. It was a good project to do.
FN-FAL's are about 100X more complicated than my AK internally.
Now I own them for a fraction of what it would cost to have bought them outright. It was a good project to do.
FN-FAL's are about 100X more complicated than my AK internally.
Garand and FAL in the case - you can see the finish on the Garand is authentic and original. I love that rifle.
Left to right:
AK-74 (basically an updated version of the AK-47), M1 Garand, FN-FAL with bipod and wood furniture, FN-FAL in combat black (magazines missing from both FAL's)
FN-FAL with bipod extended.
Left to right:
AK-74 (basically an updated version of the AK-47), M1 Garand, FN-FAL with bipod and wood furniture, FN-FAL in combat black (magazines missing from both FAL's)
FN-FAL with bipod extended.
I hear you completely. Some of the pics in this thread make me think WTF - regular folks have guns like this in their HOUSES??? Looks like a gun shop or somt...
And some of you are have licenses to carry concealed firearms?? Like a regular civilian can actually have a 'concealed carry permit'!?! Damn man. I thought you might only get that if you a military dude or have some major James Bond/Clark Kent type stable psych readings.
I don't know what the % stats of gun crimes are like in the USA to countries where guns are outlawed, but that would be interesting to see?
Time to bust out my Yuri Orlov affiliate links I think.
The best way to know what gun to get is to try a bunch before buying.
Last February, I took training from these guys:
ITTS Firearms School. Southern California's Elite Tactical Training Facility. International Tactical Training Seminars
I took Defensive Handgun I and LOVED it. Classroom training about the things you can and can't do in CA, and then a day of field training. These guys are SAFE, professional, and INTENSE.
I got to try a bunch of guns, and was really excited to try a Sig, but actually fell in love with a Glock 17. It felt like an extension of my hand whereas no other gun did really did. Getting to shoot an assault rifle and a shotgun was amazing too.
So that's the gun I will eventually buy. I sadly didn't get a gun after the training, but thankfully haven't needed one.
They make the very popular "Art of the Gun" training video you can check out too.
Last February, I took training from these guys:
ITTS Firearms School. Southern California's Elite Tactical Training Facility. International Tactical Training Seminars
I took Defensive Handgun I and LOVED it. Classroom training about the things you can and can't do in CA, and then a day of field training. These guys are SAFE, professional, and INTENSE.
I got to try a bunch of guns, and was really excited to try a Sig, but actually fell in love with a Glock 17. It felt like an extension of my hand whereas no other gun did really did. Getting to shoot an assault rifle and a shotgun was amazing too.
So that's the gun I will eventually buy. I sadly didn't get a gun after the training, but thankfully haven't needed one.
They make the very popular "Art of the Gun" training video you can check out too.
Obviously gun crime % is high in the US, but this doesn't directly correlate to banning guns. People always talk about countries like Japan where guns are basically outlawed and equate that directly to their low numbers of homicides and other violent crimes. It has far more to do with their culture than any gun laws they have imposed.
Gun ownership is high in countries like Canada, North Ireland, Finland, Sweden, Germany and not least of all Switzerland. I haven't looked at numbers lately, but some of these countries come awfully close to the same gun ownership (not numbers of guns, but the number of people that actually own them) per capita than in the US.
Every able bodied Swiss male that goes through mandatory military training goes home with an assault rifle. There are some 600,000 assault rifles in Swiss gun lockers. Yet violent crime is low in Switzerland, not because everyone is armed to the teeth, but because they live in a different society, a different cultural place, than some Americans.
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<< edit. I don't agree at all with the premise of the title. I don't believe Switzerland has a low crime rate because there are so many guns around. If this were the truth, then the US should be the safest place in the world.
You'll note my guns posted above - located in my house - are all trigger locked. Also, their cases are locked. Inside the cases the guns are strapped down. And the ammo box is locked separately. It takes a good 10 minutes to go from "locked" to "locked and loaded". Probably less if I really was trying...
At the end of the day guns are no different to me that any toy/hobby thing I have. Mine aren't for self defense. I have a child and wife in the house and in the event of home invasion - well - my first reaction would be to bug out of the house or barricade ourself in the bedroom while calling 911. If it comes to close quarters then it's baseball bat time.
The Garand is a piece of history - literally. And the other 3 I built from parts, refinishing the metal, the wood, etc. It was a good investment too - I learned a lot of useful skills and the rifles are all worth about 3-4X what I paid for them. I know I could sell them on very short order for premium prices if I wanted.
My only point is this - just because I - or anyone else - has guns like this - doesn't really mean anything in and of itself.
My brother, on the other hand....now HIS gun collection (and politics) would scare most people
Final edit: Scariest gun in there is the Garand - you can hit a target at very long range with that thing even today - it's 70 years old and solid as hell. And that's just with iron sights.
I don't know about the previous posters, but so far , building an AK has been a absolute headache, AR's are like legos, anyone can assemble them. However with AKs you need access to tools most don't have (Like a shop press and spot welder).
As one noted above , gun crime (or crime in general) has mostly to do with society/culture than it does with ownership of implements. In my county , in the past 10 years we've had I think a total of 3 or 4 murders, and literally every single person owns at least one gun. While in another county with similar population , it's something like 1 muder in the past 10 years, yet one county north, the rate of murders per capita is amazingly higher (The closer you get to the larger cities, the rate of crime per capita goes up quite a bit).
As one noted above , gun crime (or crime in general) has mostly to do with society/culture than it does with ownership of implements. In my county , in the past 10 years we've had I think a total of 3 or 4 murders, and literally every single person owns at least one gun. While in another county with similar population , it's something like 1 muder in the past 10 years, yet one county north, the rate of murders per capita is amazingly higher (The closer you get to the larger cities, the rate of crime per capita goes up quite a bit).