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Saw someone mention in a thread that they used to train BJJ. Never pegged this as a place where people trained. Now I'm wondering if there's anyone else here that does jiu jitsu or submission grappling.

I been training BJJ for about 4 years now. I'm a 2 stripe blue, train 3-4x a week, and compete a 2-3 times a year. Now you go. Holla!
 


train, almost got my blue been slacking though since I got a pinched nerve in my neck.
 
probably going to start bjj in the summer or fall, depending on my summer schedule...looks like a lot of fun and good training/conditioning.
 
I started training Gracie JJ in 2000 and have been on again off again with it over the years. I competed fairly strongly for 3 or 4 years and have a stack of 2nd/3rd place medals, for whatever that's worth. I'm at my most competitive around and below 170 lbs. Like everything else, it comes with a price.

My shoulders and one elbow are fairly torqued out and are extremely sensitive to the cold, I have a giant, ugly, fat broken knuckle that was broken in a tournament and other phantom aches and pains. I don't smell very well through my nose after a nasty break and occasionally my right radius/ulna will dislocate themselves ever so slightly at the elbow, which is a horribly awkward and gross feeling.

Guys who have been doing it for an extremely long time typically suffer from SOME form of arthritis/pain discomfort. Same with any long term grappling sport.

I have a decent judo background so my takedowns are relatively decent. With the gi, I'm pretty decent with open guard/spider guard, but honestly due to my size I have to rely on outsmarting my opponent as much as I can. I am stringy and wiry but by no means a true natural athlete.

I've been debating on picking up training again in the future, but, as I said, it's a rough sport and it takes it's toll over time. I don't know if I would compete again. There are plenty of combat arts that worth studying, and each serves it's purpose any particular situation.

You get a LOT of meathead guys who want to be a cage fighter. That's all they want to be. Or they need to prove something to themselves or their friends. Even after 12 years of studying the sport, they still have something to prove, and that can be dangerous. You get in a mentality with BJJ where you are almost looking for a fight. You get confident and if you are balsy, want to test it's effectiveness in a streetfight. This is a problem for several reasons, but here's the #1:

It's a sport based martial art. There are no such things as "rules" in a streetfight. However, if you spend 2 hours a night conditioning your mind and body to react like a BJJ practitioner in the street, you could end up dead.

Example:

If I train BJJ:

I'm in a bar and a guy sees me talking to his sister. He comes over, says something rude and then shoves me hard. Depending on what level of BJJ I practice (and who's style), I've either already shot in for a double leg and taken him down or attempted any to isolate a choke from uptop. I may try to position him between me and any friends he may have while I'm choking him.


I train something slightly more effective:

I immediately shoot my fingers or a small object into his eyes or nose, temporarily blinding him on his own tears/blood. I drive my skull into his lower jaw, and if that hasn't rendered him unconscious I take advantage of his balance/positioning to lead him/flow with him to the floor, severely maiming him or choking him into unconsciousness by his collar on the way down while keeping aware through my peripheral vision of the next potential attacker/friend/guy that comes along. I do not commit to staying with him on the ground.

I'm at black ops/blackwater/level:

Prior to entering the new environment, I've observed the behavior and the dress of every person in the room. I probably haven't entered this place prior to gathering SOME sort of intelligence, but assuming I haven't, I begin to calculate who is a potential threat based on everything I can see and infer. I've adjusted my behavior and posture accordingly so that nobody could possibly view me as a potential threat. I haven't worn anything to stand out, and no alpha male is going to be threatened by my appearance. Before ANY possible fight has taken place, I have minimized the likelihood of it occurring to the lowest possibly probability.

If you're smart you do this without really being aware of it. It's called having a survival instict. I have a very close personal friend who used to be a training partner but disappeared after he became a green beret who taught me this. Not every military man is what you think he is.

Me <----needing less caffeine.
 
White with 4 stripes after about 5 years training off and on. I'm like the Van Wilder of BJJ except without the chicks, just me rolling around on the floor with other dudes.
 
@johnysc430
If you're going to train, a good chiropractor is your friend. I went through 3 or 4 before I found one that trains. Now I just tell him how it got tweaked, and he knows how to adjust it properly.

@roclafamilia
It's one of the best workouts you can get. My friend started up and lost 40 pounds in 8 weeks. But he was a fat ass to begin with.

@phillipmarlow
Yeah, I always train injured. When I roll with the old school guys, we start off by listing injuries. But it makes me appreciate it when I'm healthy. I'm like - oh shit, nothing is busted. WTF?

With regards to fighting, I've had the opposite experience. I've found that people get mellower the more they train. Usually the aggro / spaz guys are the newbs, and the chill relaxed guys are the higher belts. I can see why. When I was not able to defend myself, I used to feel the need to posture way more. Now that I am confident with my skills, I'm usually pretty relaxed about letting things slide.

Maybe that's different in a gym that's more MMA oriented, but at least at our dojo, ego gets ground down pretty quickly. If you're a jerk on the mat, you're probably not going to last long enough to be a problem. One thing I have learned from Jits is that EVERYONE can get got. At some point, the guy you are rolling with is going to be in a position to break one of your limbs, and when he is, he will remember how you treated him.

@gcad1981
Damn, you're due for a blue!
 
PhillipMarlow said:
You get a LOT of meathead guys who want to be a cage fighter. That's all they want to be. Or they need to prove something to themselves or their friends. Even after 12 years of studying the sport, they still have something to prove, and that can be dangerous. You get in a mentality with BJJ where you are almost looking for a fight. You get confident and if you are balsy, want to test it's effectiveness in a streetfight. This is a problem for several reasons, but here's the #1:

It's a sport based martial art. There are no such things as "rules" in a streetfight. However, if you spend 2 hours a night conditioning your mind and body to react like a BJJ practitioner in the street, you could end up dead.

Example:

If I train BJJ:

I'm in a bar and a guy sees me talking to his sister. He comes over, says something rude and then shoves me hard. Depending on what level of BJJ I practice (and who's style), I've either already shot in for a double leg and taken him down or attempted any to isolate a choke from uptop. I may try to position him between me and any friends he may have while I'm choking him.


I train something slightly more effective:

I immediately shoot my fingers or a small object into his eyes or nose, temporarily blinding him on his own tears/blood. I drive my skull into his lower jaw, and if that hasn't rendered him unconscious I take advantage of his balance/positioning to lead him/flow with him to the floor, severely maiming him or choking him into unconsciousness by his collar on the way down while keeping aware through my peripheral vision of the next potential attacker/friend/guy that comes along. I do not commit to staying with him on the ground.

I'm at black ops/blackwater/level:

Prior to entering the new environment, I've observed the behavior and the dress of every person in the room. I probably haven't entered this place prior to gathering SOME sort of intelligence, but assuming I haven't, I begin to calculate who is a potential threat based on everything I can see and infer. I've adjusted my behavior and posture accordingly so that nobody could possibly view me as a potential threat. I haven't worn anything to stand out, and no alpha male is going to be threatened by my appearance. Before ANY possible fight has taken place, I have minimized the likelihood of it occurring to the lowest possibly probability.

If you're smart you do this without really being aware of it. It's called having a survival instict. I have a very close personal friend who used to be a training partner but disappeared after he became a green beret who taught me this. Not every military man is what you think he is.

Me <----needing less caffeine.
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BJJ is a great workout sport. If you want to train in the art of closed quarters hand to hand combat take BJJ/JJ/etc (boxing for me personally), if you want to train in the art of self defense buy a gun and train with that.
 
I agree, the more MMA focused gyms are, the more aggro the guys. But I've also trained with Mundial gold medalists and plenty of legit black belts. I've been to seminars or trained directly under Royce, Relson, Caique, and over half a dozen 1st and 2nd stripe bbs from all sorts of branches. They all posture. They're Brazilians. There are all sorts of politics regarding whose style is the "real" BJJ and if you trace the different styles and branches of schools it's all politics and money. All the same, if you start trying to slap new school stuff on old school guys, even at the highest levels, they get irritated. That may be different in the newer schools. I haven't rolled in over a year.

That being said, one of my most prized possessions is a picture of me with Helio and Rorion at a tournament I went to in 2005. Helio was truly zen status. I'll see if I can find it.


robhustle said:
@johnysc430
If you're going to train, a good chiropractor is your friend. I went through 3 or 4 before I found one that trains. Now I just tell him how it got tweaked, and he knows how to adjust it properly.

@roclafamilia
It's one of the best workouts you can get. My friend started up and lost 40 pounds in 8 weeks. But he was a fat ass to begin with.

@phillipmarlow
Yeah, I always train injured. When I roll with the old school guys, we start off by listing injuries. But it makes me appreciate it when I'm healthy. I'm like - oh shit, nothing is busted. WTF?

With regards to fighting, I've had the opposite experience. I've found that people get mellower the more they train. Usually the aggro / spaz guys are the newbs, and the chill relaxed guys are the higher belts. I can see why. When I was not able to defend myself, I used to feel the need to posture way more. Now that I am confident with my skills, I'm usually pretty relaxed about letting things slide.

Maybe that's different in a gym that's more MMA oriented, but at least at our dojo, ego gets ground down pretty quickly. If you're a jerk on the mat, you're probably not going to last long enough to be a problem. One thing I have learned from Jits is that EVERYONE can get got. At some point, the guy you are rolling with is going to be in a position to break one of your limbs, and when he is, he will remember how you treated him.

@gcad1981
Damn, you're due for a blue!
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PhillipMarlow said:
I train something slightly more effective:

I immediately shoot my fingers or a small object into his eyes or nose, temporarily blinding him on his own tears/blood. I drive my skull into his lower jaw, and if that hasn't rendered him unconscious I take advantage of his balance/positioning to lead him/flow with him to the floor, severely maiming him or choking him into unconsciousness by his collar on the way down while keeping aware through my peripheral vision of the next potential attacker/friend/guy that comes along. I do not commit to staying with him on the ground.

I'm at black ops/blackwater/level:

Prior to entering the new environment, I've observed the behavior and the dress of every person in the room. I probably haven't entered this place prior to gathering SOME sort of intelligence, but assuming I haven't, I begin to calculate who is a potential threat based on everything I can see and infer. I've adjusted my behavior and posture accordingly so that nobody could possibly view me as a potential threat. I haven't worn anything to stand out, and no alpha male is going to be threatened by my appearance. Before ANY possible fight has taken place, I have minimized the likelihood of it occurring to the lowest possibly probability.

If you're smart you do this without really being aware of it. It's called having a survival instict. I have a very close personal friend who used to be a training partner but disappeared after he became a green beret who taught me this. Not every military man is what you think he is.

Me <----needing less caffeine.
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If I didn't know you better I'd think you were the tweaky guy that hangs out in the far corner of the bar with one hand always on the $150 tactical one-hand-open combat folding knife in his pocket. :D

Personally I've trained MMA Grappling and BJJ off and on for about 10 years or so. I've also been doing Traditional Martial Arts since I was a kid.

I'm really pissed off because the show "Ultimate Fighter" debuted and now every retard redneck dickhead in an Affliction or Tapout shirt thinks he's an MMA fighter / expert on the sport.
 
PhillipMarlow said:
I've been to seminars or trained directly under Royce, Relson, Caique, and over half a dozen 1st and 2nd stripe bbs from all sorts of branches. They all posture. They're Brazilians. There are all sorts of politics regarding whose style is the "real" BJJ and if you trace the different styles and branches of schools it's all politics and money.
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Again, different experience. I've trained with a few Mundials winners as well... Marcelo Garcia, Cobrinha, Andre Galvao, Caio Terra. All of them were EXTREMELY laid back and open minded. They are literally some of the nicest guys I've ever met, and it made me extremely happy that some of the deadliest dudes on the ground are also some of the most chill.
 
I'm not at all, but man, I've been around enough of those guys. The first place I ever trained martial arts at, the owner had a lead slapjack handsewn into his wallet and he had a REALLY creepy stare going on all the time.

ChrisS said:
If I didn't know you better I'd think you were the tweaky guy that hangs out in the far corner of the bar with one hand always on the $150 tactical one-hand-open combat folding knife in his pocket. :D

Personally I've trained MMA Grappling and BJJ off and on for about 10 years or so. I've also been doing Traditional Martial Arts since I was a kid.

I'm really pissed off because the show "Ultimate Fighter" debuted and now every retard redneck dickhead in an Affliction or Tapout shirt thinks he's an MMA fighter / expert on the sport.
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Nice! I'd like to roll with/learn from the new school guys who are more open minded and evolving the sport. Eddie Bravo was as close as I came to direct training in new school stuff, and his style was insanely rough on my knees and hips.

robhustle said:
Again, different experience. I've trained with a few Mundials winners as well... Marcelo Garcia, Cobrinha, Andre Galvao, Caio Terra. All of them were EXTREMELY laid back and open minded. They are literally some of the nicest guys I've ever met, and it made me extremely happy that some of the deadliest dudes on the ground are also some of the most chill.
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PhillipMarlow said:
Nice! I'd like to roll with/learn from the new school guys who are more open minded and evolving the sport. Eddie Bravo was as close as I came to direct training in new school stuff, and his style was insanely rough on my knees and hips.
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The weed makes him feel no pain.
 
robhustle said:
@johnysc430
If you're going to train, a good chiropractor is your friend. I went through 3 or 4 before I found one that trains. Now I just tell him how it got tweaked, and he knows how to adjust it properly.
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Have you tried osteopaths? I've always gone to them instead of chiros.

@gcad1981
Damn, you're due for a blue!
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I'm told I wrestle like a blue which is like a consolation prize. Just haven't managed to get in more than 1 day a week for ages because of work commitments. But I have stuck to it because I love the jits.
 
I have a herniated disk, haven't checked out osteopaths I will look into it.

my mom has a embroidery machine, so she just put some funky shit on my gi's, I can't wait to start training again cause I'm so fat.
 
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