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Cain could possibly outstrike Lesnar as his stand-up looked elementary tonight, but I doubt Cain has the killer 1 hitter quitter power of Carwin which Brock survived for a whole round so its tough to call.
And Leben has a LONG way till he gets to fight someone like Anderson, Akiyama is a small middleweight and Leben was on the losing side of the decision until he threw up that triangle.
I would normally disreguard any knowledge of MMA of a person that has a Kimbo sig but I do agree with what you said.
I do think Silva is going to get caught by somebody soon. Only for the reason that he is so cocky right now and it is next to impossible to keep winning in MMA. I don't know the exaxt quote from Ken Shamrock but it was basically a fight between two good fighter is pretty much 50-50. Anybody can land a lucky punch and they are all obviously talented since they made it as far as the UFC.
I did not expect Brock to be man handled like that in the first round. His stand up looked horrible. Everytime carwin threw a punch Brock like curled up in a ball and started backin away not even wanting to trade with carwin. I think carwin proved he is stronger than Brock.
Kimbo would wreck Cain, Brock and Shane on the same night in MMA rules, straight up wrestling, K-1 and good old fashioned backyard BBQ brawls.
No he showed that he made a rookie mistake of blowing his wad trying to finish somebody. How are you stronger than somebody if you got choked the fuck out?
Please don't ever talk about MMA again. This statement is sooooo fucking retarded that there are no words to describe.
Kimbo is a fucking gutter rat with shitty MMA skills. That's why he gets dominated...DOMINATED!!
Matt Mitrione fucking dicksmacked him.
Roy Nelson wallered his fat belly all over him.
Seth P. knocked his lights out
Kimbo wrecking Cain V. ? Are you insane? Kimbo doesn't have the chops to make it in the UFC and I will rejoice when Dana tosses his sorry ass out.
Kimbo would be better served in a circus sideshow somewhere.
Pffffft Kimbo - yeah right. Cain V. would rip his eye balls out and fuck his sockets in front of the audience and finish like a boss - skeeting all over his gnarly beard.
why wouldn't you try and finish somebody after you got them on the ground after you made them cave in from smashing their face in. These guys are 265 pounds they would of never went 5 rounds to begin with so cardio is something these big guys will probably never have thats why they go for it in the early rounds and the ref could of easily stopped it if he wanted to make a bad early call. It wouldn't be the first time a ref did that.
But anyway did you see how fast brock started curling into a ball when ever carwin started throwing punches. I don't even think brock even hit him the whole fight standing up. Brock was scared of carwins power after he got hit. Brock should count his blessings that he wasn't sent back to the hospital after that first round.
I am hoping for a rematch. Carwin showed everyone that brock can be hurt. Its a shame he gas'd so fast but how can you blame him? All his fights ended in 1:30 or less. And he almost finished brock off in the first round! Even though i bet on brock to win Id say carwin is the more feared man in the HW division right now.
WOW You wrote all that?
It was blatant trolling/sarcasm and the fact that you took it seriously and wrote so much is very amusing to me.
Do you understand pacing? He could have stayed on him, picked his shots instead of throwing useless punches into Brock's arms when he was defending. Watch Overeem against Rogers, thats a perfect example of picking your shots when ground and pounding, Overeem (known for bad cardio) sure as hell didn't gas out and he effectively and calmly put Rogers away while using knee on belly and efficient strikes, unlike Carwin who just kept throwing inefficient shots into Lesnar's arms which gassed him out.
It was the first time Brock has been hit hard so he probably still doesn't have the instincts to defend and counter. Those shots Carwin hit Lesnar hit with weren't as hard as the ones he hit on Wellisch or Gonzaga, but it would have put a lot of guys away too. You can't deny Brock has the heart to fight through adversary. I think he also knows that he has to work on his stand up more diligently or learn how to take the fight to the ground faster just like when GSP was humbled by Serra.
And as for making excuses for his cardio, LOL, he's a professional fucking fighter being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, he's also fighting for the biggest show in the world in their "biggest fight in history" and also representing the sport of MMA on the highest level, they're not supposed to gas in the first round, I don't care who you are, especially when your fighting for a world fucking title, even KIMBO probably had a better gas tank than Carwin showed tonight. (OK maybe not) I'm pretty sure he knew the fight was 5x5 minute rounds when he signed up, so if he didn't have cardio, its on him.
On the floor, Brock completely outclassed him, Carwin had no takedown defence and did NOTHING from his back, he didn't even try to escape or hip-out, he basically gave him the position for the easy sub. That arm triangle was coming from a mile away and I don't think he even saw it, he needs to work on his defensive Jiu-jitsu and positioning before trying to challenge for the title again. Oh and run a few laps too.
MMA is still young (10-15 years ago we had mulleted Karate guys doing front flips) and the skill level will only get better as time goes on.
I agree with almost everything you said, Carwin did throw a lot of useless punches that gas'd him out faster but when you weigh 265 pounds those punches are gonna hurt even if hes hitting him on the arm. I think carwin was hoping it would be stopped or brock would just cave in.
And as far as cardio goes. I'm guessing you weigh about 120lbs. I am a big guy myself and When you have even bigger guys like brock and carwin with that kind of muscle mass it takes a lot of energy to keep all that power and weight moving. I don't know if you ever wrestled or fought before but when you have two huge guys wrestling on the ground for 4 minutes while one is pounding away the whole time hes gonna get gas'd no matter who he is.
Also i don't think carwin was entirely gas'd I think he was hoping it wouldnt go to the ground but if it did that he would do what brock did and curl up into a ball and let brock gas himself out trying to put carwin away. Im sure nobody expected a submission win from brock. And thats one reason why he won.
LOL!! Right, "trolling"....I'm sure. Since you have that worthless fighter's quote in your signature. You, my friend, are a douche. Go peddle your nonsense on some other board.
Yeah its true, I know how hard it is to wrestle around while punching defending, etc. and big guys gas hard first, but there are heavyweights with awesome cardio (Cain Velasquez, Fedor, Crocop in his prime etc.) However, none of those guys are 265 pound gorillas like Brock and Carwin. And Brock is proven to go at least 3 rounds without being tired, Carwin couldn't even go past 1 and that was my beef with him. It sucks cause Shane Carwin is nothing but class and a good fighter but that gas tank needs an upgrade.
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Dude did you even read the post you quoted from me? I said Kimbo would take Brock, Cain and Shane on in a MMA rules fight, BBQ rules fight, wrestling fight and K-1 fight AT THE SAME TIME. If you don't think that was being sarcastic you are a FUCKIN idiot and you should go back to taking the short bus to school. I have that quote in my sig because I found that quote from Kimbo funny, just like you sir.