Ron Paul 2012

Ron Paul's age is a factor. He would be 77 years old when elected in 2012, Ronald Reagan the oldest President was 69 when elected.

The primary cycle is so fast that the chances for someone without national recognition and money winning is slim. Obama was already running for President in 2004 and was the keynote speaker for the Dems.

I think any of the following could be elected:

Newt Gingrich
Jeb Bush
Gen David Petraeus
 


schockergd said:
I like him , he's not electable.

Find someone with the same ideas that DOESN'T talk about 9/11 , aliens, shadow government and the like (I don't care if you think they're true or not , they TURN VOTERS OFF!).

So , my vote is for Paul Ryan or Johnson, even Boehner is good.
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When did Ron Paul ever talk about aliens or shadow government?
 
Even if Ron Paul didn't get elected before or in the future his ideas and movement already spread to millions. We're going to see a lot more leaders running with his ideas and hopefully expanding on them.

THANK GOD
 
I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. And why would we want to find a new third party candidate? Ron Paul is a household name. I mean, he is already well branded (in terms you can understand).

Teddy Roosevelt won as a 3rd party republican.

Time flows like a river, and history repeats.

(A billion internets to whoever recognizes that last reference without Googling it).
 
erect said:
I've got a lot of resources I can throw at something if you guys want to take action now.
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I would be willing to campaign and market. We should get together and choose someone. I would def choose Ron Pual if he was running.
 
I'm sorry to say it but unless the country spirals into a state of total anarchy where people are using bullets as currency and resorting to cannibalism in order to survive Paul, and pretty much any libertarian leaning candidate, has absolutely no shot at winning on the national level. Congress and senate? Sure, but the presidency? That's going to be VERY difficult when you're telling seniors you pledge to immediately shut down social security and medicare or when you tell soccer moms you're going to end the war on drugs, remove all troops from the middle east, and shut down the department of education which will cut off federal funds to little Johnny's school.

Any rational and sane person who looks at these programs can easily come to the conclusion that they need MAJOR reform and in some cases need to be totally eliminated but your average voter just doesn't dive deep into the issues like that. If it's not a featured story on front of yahoo or joked about on the late night shows, they don't know a single thing about it. You could try and educate them about it, but the only thing people hear are short 5 second sound bytes and whatever talking points the DNC/RNC decide to release.
 
I think you guys should really focus on moving forward on the local/state level before taking a shot at the presidency.
For example, Rand Paul actually has a good shot at winning.
If he wins he will probably be the biggest libertarian success story in recent American politics- he's named after freakin Ayn Rand!

Getting enough seats in the senate to be able to impede a big government agenda will actually make a bigger difference in the long run than electing a libertarian president, think about that.
 
i don't care for much about politics, but after watching this video, just like watching videos for the 08 election, it strikes emotion in me, its seriously the only thing that does, and i think its just because ron paul nails the path that our government should be following

i want everyone to think about this. You have this guy who is distictively different than any other candidate, and has the balls to come out and speak his word. It seems like everyone really likes him deep down but won't admit it due to their idiocracy. but what would happen if he died within the next year. then what little ounce of hope would you have left? without Ron Paul, we have nothing. We mine as well let him be the leader of our country before its too late...
 
You think you Americans have got it bad? We've just labelled the Burqa as 'British' and said that to ban a medieval oppressive garment , much like the French & Belgians did would be 'intolerant'.

If you think your country is run buy a bunch of spineless pussies, pop on over here. I class myself as pretty liberal, but by 2010 British standards I reckon I'd be labelled as a fucking Nazi. Its fucked. We're so far gone basically anyone can do anything, for fear of upsetting someone.
 
ayzo said:
I'm sorry to say it but unless the country spirals into a state of total anarchy where people are using bullets as currency and resorting to cannibalism in order to survive Paul, and pretty much any libertarian leaning candidate, has absolutely no shot at winning on the national level. Congress and senate? Sure, but the presidency? That's going to be VERY difficult when you're telling seniors you pledge to immediately shut down social security and medicare or when you tell soccer moms you're going to end the war on drugs, remove all troops from the middle east, and shut down the department of education which will cut off federal funds to little Johnny's school.

Any rational and sane person who looks at these programs can easily come to the conclusion that they need MAJOR reform and in some cases need to be totally eliminated but your average voter just doesn't dive deep into the issues like that. If it's not a featured story on front of yahoo or joked about on the late night shows, they don't know a single thing about it. You could try and educate them about it, but the only thing people hear are short 5 second sound bytes and whatever talking points the DNC/RNC decide to release.
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Paul never said he would immediately end SS/Medicare. He wants to end the wars to be able to pay for these, cut spending, and gradually eliminate them by allowing younger people to opt-out (ie keeping more of your paycheck)
 
machinecontrol said:
I think you guys should really focus on moving forward on the local/state level before taking a shot at the presidency.
For example, Rand Paul actually has a good shot at winning.
If he wins he will probably be the biggest libertarian success story in recent American politics- he's named after freakin Ayn Rand!
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Rand Paul is far from libertarian. He may have some libertarian views but he is a lot weaker than his father.

If he wins he will be a Republican "success" story in the sense that he will be a Republican winning a seat that Republicans are expected to win.

He is NOT named after Ayn Rand ( who HATED libertarians, BTW). His birth name is Randal, and he chose to go by "Rand."
 
Ron Paul will not win. He will be lucky if he doesn't break a hip while campaigning.

We need someone youngish (40-55). We need someone strong and well-spoken. We need someone charismatic. We need someone who has no ties to fringe elements.

Gary Johnson would be interesting. Paul Ryan seems like someone who should be on The Daily Show, but that might be interesting too. Maybe have them both on the same ticket?

I do not ever want to see Newt or Mitt back on the trail. Too much baggage, too tired, too old. Newt needs to go away or play a supporting role way in the background.
 
We need a radical thinker like Ron Paul, but he needs to get on The Daily Show, Colbert Report etc. to get name recognition soon because right now the only radical with any name recognition whatsoever is Ron Paul and for many of the reasons already pointed out he's probably unelectable (unfortunately). As good as these other guys sound - nobody has ever heard of them so it ain't gonna happen unless there is a HUGE media push like now.
 
Hell I'll just take some common sense these days from any party. That's why so many of us like Ron Paul... and most libertarians.

I heard some speeches by Gov. Christie from N.J. the other day - they are fighting a crippling deficit, and many problems mirrored on the federal level.

His comment (on live t.v.) was I'll talk to you like a grown up - tell you what you don't want to hear - but you know it's what our state needs.

Wish there was more of it from all parties. Won't happen till more of us demand it though.
 
Ron Paul is doing/has done fantastic things for Libertarian politics and thinking - he basically single handedly propelled the movement to the forefront of general American consciousness. However, I think it's time for Libertarians and all reasonable thinkers who support Paul to decide exactly what it is we are after: Are we still just promoting awareness of a movement, or we ready to graduate to actually electing a candidate?
Unfortunately, I'm afraid that if Ron Paul runs in 2012 it will be more of the former - He'd get a much larger percentage in the primaries this time around, but not enough to overwhelm the traditional Republican candidates like Romney.

The absolute best scenario for success would be a more mainstream candidate like Paul Ryan or Christie from NJ. Then, have Ron Paul not run but instead throw all of his support and point his followers to whichever candidate is most appropriate. We need someone that can survive a Republican primary, and I don't think anyone believes Ron Paul can.

Granted, there is the option of running as a third party candidate in a general election, but I think that, especially in 2012, all that will do is siphon off just enough voters to ensure Obama gets re-elected.

Right now, the media, the pundits, and the politicians themselves are consumed with the business of November mid-terms. Once that's settled, we will immediately start to see those interested in 2012 coming out of the wood work.
 
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