1 month, $10,000 profit all ppc challenge
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And...we're off!
Finally got the friggen site completely done, including all backend scripts and such. I've got one adgroup going on adwords and one on overture. It's late though and I think I'll hit msn tomorrow morning...
As for what I'll post, I will not post my site url or my performing keywords. I will post stats and everything else though, (I will even reveal the industry I'm targetting). IF you want the url and performing kws, pay me $500,000 and I'll consider it, (that's what I plan on making off this for the next 4 years). If you don't like that, don't read the thread.
I refuse to give a man a fish when I can teach him how to catch an endless supply of nice fat fishys everyday.
Let the fun, (and hopefully $$$), begin!
Finally got the friggen site completely done, including all backend scripts and such. I've got one adgroup going on adwords and one on overture. It's late though and I think I'll hit msn tomorrow morning...
As for what I'll post, I will not post my site url or my performing keywords. I will post stats and everything else though, (I will even reveal the industry I'm targetting). IF you want the url and performing kws, pay me $500,000 and I'll consider it, (that's what I plan on making off this for the next 4 years). If you don't like that, don't read the thread.
I refuse to give a man a fish when I can teach him how to catch an endless supply of nice fat fishys everyday.
Let the fun, (and hopefully $$$), begin!
yeah this really isn't a challenge, if your not going to at least reveal a url for people to see how you have things setup, thats half the equation...
The challenge is my challenge to actually follow through on a good idea I have. It's not, "Full disclosure of how to make $10,000 profit per month", that was never my intention. But if you follow someone doing it, you will pick ideas and motivation to do your own projects. I started in this business after reading a thread by a guy called "rfung" on another forum who documented his journey to $100 per day, (small potatoes, but a very popular thread nonetheless). It motivated the hell out of me because I thought, if he can do it, anyone can.
Motivation is one the biggest roadblocks to success online. This is a fact.
If this is not allowed, let me know.
Motivation is one the biggest roadblocks to success online. This is a fact.
If this is not allowed, let me know.
Except for the fact that anyone can view a stat but that doesn't mean anyone can make that stat a reality, you said this was a challenge, most challenges around here is a full disclosure type of thing, nonetheless it could be motivational, but only motivational to those people who already know how to make it a reality.
With that said if you already know how to make it a reality, then there is no point in reviewing the stats from someone else to get motivation, your motivation is already there with your huge checks coming in each month, unless your in a game trying to beat out the amount of money someone else is making so you can have some sort of bragging rights.
If I read your above post right you said you would tell us the industry your doing this with, but in your most recent post you have not yet supplied that industry to us, nor have you supplied us with a URL or anything else for that matter, you've only said hey look at me I'm going to make $10K in one month's time, well guess what I've seen others already make $10K in a month and sure it was motivational.
The point to all of this crap I'm typing is to say "no one really gives a shit" simply because no one is learning anything from this, yeah congrat's if you hit your goal but if from your recent posts your making yourself out to be an attention grabber. No Pun intended.
Forget Him.... Read This
LOL. Forget this then.
Read this guy's blog that tells how he choses & selcts campaigns keywords stas etc from start to finish. the entire process is there.
But dont buy any of the crap he's promoting on his blog...
andrechaperon.com/category/clickbank-case-study-1/
LOL. Forget this then.
Read this guy's blog that tells how he choses & selcts campaigns keywords stas etc from start to finish. the entire process is there.
But dont buy any of the crap he's promoting on his blog...
andrechaperon.com/category/clickbank-case-study-1/
beejeebers;
I think your intentions were good dude. But the reality is (as people have already pointed out) that people here want to LEARN something from these types of threads. Unless you bring out some more details, this thread will die from lack of interest.
Just my 2 cents.
I think your intentions were good dude. But the reality is (as people have already pointed out) that people here want to LEARN something from these types of threads. Unless you bring out some more details, this thread will die from lack of interest.
Just my 2 cents.
Thats funny
I remeber reading rfung's thread also on WW.
Thats really funny.
I still talk to that guy and he finally went ahead and got a job.
He did have a nice run traveling through europe on is profits though.
SMALL WORLD
I remeber reading rfung's thread also on WW.
Thats really funny.
I still talk to that guy and he finally went ahead and got a job.
He did have a nice run traveling through europe on is profits though.
SMALL WORLD
WOW, god forbid someone might actually have to do SOME work on their own.
If you want my url, I'm not posting it because there are software programs available where you can input a list of keywords and urls and the software will tell you which keywords each url is bidding on. (It's awesome software). If I post my url, there will be clones everywhere and I may even have people clicking my ads, screwing up my program and costing me money. That just doesn't make sense to me.
HOWEVER...
If you want to know what industry I'm targetted, it's UK debt management.
If you want the merchant, I will provide that too and you can even sign up for them if you want.
If you want a list of keywords, I can give you 50,000 of them.
If you want the keys to my house and cars and access to my bank account you'll need to blow me first and at least take me out to dinner...
Does that somehow make it more credible?
If you want to see what my site looks like, go to google.co.uk and type that phrase in. You will see quite a few examples of the type of site I am using as uk debt management is a very competitive area. I like competitive areas because I know there is a big piece of pie worth fighting for.
I will show you how I am tackling this area.
I will show you how you can tackle this area.
I will not charge a penny for this.
I will not sell you a fucking ebook.
As for whether you believe me or not, I could care less. What I am doing is trying to motivate people and help them make some money online and at the same time motivate myself to make more. IF you don't want to make anything and just want to sit there and snipe and be an overall asshat, feel free to do that too.
If you want my url, I'm not posting it because there are software programs available where you can input a list of keywords and urls and the software will tell you which keywords each url is bidding on. (It's awesome software). If I post my url, there will be clones everywhere and I may even have people clicking my ads, screwing up my program and costing me money. That just doesn't make sense to me.
HOWEVER...
If you want to know what industry I'm targetted, it's UK debt management.
If you want the merchant, I will provide that too and you can even sign up for them if you want.
If you want a list of keywords, I can give you 50,000 of them.
If you want the keys to my house and cars and access to my bank account you'll need to blow me first and at least take me out to dinner...
Does that somehow make it more credible?
If you want to see what my site looks like, go to google.co.uk and type that phrase in. You will see quite a few examples of the type of site I am using as uk debt management is a very competitive area. I like competitive areas because I know there is a big piece of pie worth fighting for.
I will show you how I am tackling this area.
I will show you how you can tackle this area.
I will not charge a penny for this.
I will not sell you a fucking ebook.
As for whether you believe me or not, I could care less. What I am doing is trying to motivate people and help them make some money online and at the same time motivate myself to make more. IF you don't want to make anything and just want to sit there and snipe and be an overall asshat, feel free to do that too.
Well I seemed to have glanced over my initial start to this challenge so here goes:
Day T-minus 2:
I know what merchant I want to promote and know what industry I want to use, so it's time for research and putting together a landing site. I say landing site because adwords hates landing pages now. If you use them and they are not part of a larger site, you will get slapped with high minimum bids. I know, I've been through it in the past. I had one site that made me a lot of money and google decided one day they didn't like it, so they upped my bids to $11 minimum on any keyword I had or entered. They're basically saying, "F you, if you want to use us, pay us a fortune". It works because people either quit using them or figure out how to use them the way they want. The way they want does not always make sense, but it is what it is. (I love that saying.)
So, for my merchant in the uk debt management sector, they will allow me to collect all information on my own site using my own form and then forward that info onto them. This is beneficial for several reasons.
1.) You get to see the data and make sure it's legit before submitting to the merchant.
2.) Because of that, you know exactly how many quality leads you are sending and information is power.
3.) No merchant phone number begging the person to call them. Usually if they call, you don't get paid. Although some sites have phone tracking too, I just prefer to collect my own info.
4.) Branding. If you've ever used white label sites, you know how good they are. You can compete with the merchant on a level playing field.
5.) Tracking. You get to track your keywords all the way through. You can use your own or use adwords/overture/msn's tracking, but at least you will know the keyword that converted. This is difficult with most merchants. (Although there are some that will work with you on this, but you need to be sending some decent business first).
So, my landing site is going to have several pages, lots of useful, related content and I like to show my form on every page, (ie make it part of the overall site design). I had a buddy of mine make up a template for me because I do lots of things, but I stink at graphics. My site cost $50 total but that was for a one page template. I filled in everything including the form and back end code. (If you can't do that, you can pay someone to do it too). Basically, the person fills in my form, I get an email with the information, I get an entry into my own database, the person gets a thank you email and then the information is checked for valid data. If the data is valid, my scrip auto submits it to the merchant using another script I wrote. IF the data is not complete or faulty, (fake app or just funky looking phone, email or postal code), then I get an email telling me it wasn't submitted to the merchant. That lead is not dead, I can contact the person and get them to correct any faulty data. IF it's a fake app, my script will catch it, so the merchant doesn't recieve crappola.
Now from a ppc perspective, the site must reflect and be relevant to the keywords, ad copy and overall theme of the industry. So I use a simple echo statement to show the keyword in the meta tags and at least twice on the page body. (All my destination urls send the keyword to the landing page.) I've found this increases my quality score on adwords and gets me cheaper bids. It will also help on msn and overture.
The site is half the battle, once complete, you can tweak it to suit your needs or improve conversions, but make one change at a time and document all your changes and their results. The hardest part of ppc marketing is finding those golden nugget keywords. Golden nuggets are ones that convert to a lead at a cheap price. In competitive areas, they are harder to find, but they are out there. You have to be creative. I use the search engines to find my initial keywords. For example, I can type in "uk debt advice" into google.co.uk and browswe through the results jotting down any phrases that stick out. Then you just keep on entering new phrases into google and find more and more keywords. You can also have a look at newspapers, magazines and even the television for ideas. I've even gone so far as to ASK the person what other things they might type into a search engine to find what they were looking for. (After they have completed my form). You can also use the hundreds of software packages out there like wordtracker or keyword discovery, but remember, everyone uses those, so chances of finding something new are pretty slim. Another good technique is to build a list of adjectives, nouns and verbs then use a "jumble" script to put them togther in various combinations, then exact match them in adwords. Yet another great technique is to find misspellings of high volume keywords, you can even combine those misspellings using a jumble script.
Anyhow, keywords are the biggest part of your initial and ongoing tasks.
Day T-minus 1:
So today I continued working on my site. Filled it with content and a privacy policy, (a must now for ppc engines). I also tested my scripts to make sure they can handle everything I want them to. All is looking good on the site front.
On the keyword front, I now need to take that list of keywords and put it into adwords, overture and msn. Each system is slightly different from the other with adwords being the easiest to use and hardest to master from a profitability point of view. But adwords has the most traffic so I've got to use it. I just make sure I approach it with a slow and steady, lean and mean approach. I will make one campaign and have hundreds of adgroups in that campaign. I will never dump 2,000 keywords into an adgroup because that is just nuts and won't work. Instead I break my list up into groups of 1 to 25 words, all very much related and laser targetted to ONE thing. I will then make an adgroup for those words and use only phrase and exact match to start. Plus I have to make sure I turn off the content network as it is just junk. I make 2 ads per adgroup and make sure I've got my destination urls entered correctly. I also put my conversion code on my thank you page so I know what worked. I only entered one adgroup today as it was getting late. It has 10 keywords in it. For bidding, I like to bid high to start, (get on the first page), then trim the results as things convert or don't convert. I use my target ROI for this. If I want 100% roi, I have to pay half the payout for a lead. So if one of my lead pays $140, (one type does), then I can pay up to $70 for a keyword before I reduce the bid/leave it alone or delete it. That $70 is total spent, not the actual bid. The bid will be whatever it takes to get me on the first page of search results initially.
For overture, things go a bit faster. I can dump all those keywords in OR I can group them like I do with adwords, just not as narrow OR I can test batches at a time. I like to test large batches or related keywords at a time. This way my ad hopefully be more relevent and convert better. I make use of the "category" feature on overture, dumping batches into their own category using the date and them as the category name. (That way I know how long things have been in the system when going back to prune things later). So I may dump 500 to 1,000 keywords into one category and bid to first page results again. I have written a simple php script that takes a list of keywords and spits out the excel bulk upload sheet for me, with all the url keyword tracking 100% accurate, so I can see which keyword converted. THis is because OV doesn't have the {keyword} feature.
For msn, I take advantage of their bulk import feature for keywords, I am still trying to figure out how to only have phrase and exact match without having to bid $0.05 on broad. But I'll figure that out eventually. Both overture and msn use human editors, so getting keywords approved can take time. MSN has only a fraction of the traffic of google, but it converts very very nicely.
So that basically brings me up to the first day. I will continue to enter adgroups into adwords and dump keywords into overture and msn.
Day T-minus 2:
I know what merchant I want to promote and know what industry I want to use, so it's time for research and putting together a landing site. I say landing site because adwords hates landing pages now. If you use them and they are not part of a larger site, you will get slapped with high minimum bids. I know, I've been through it in the past. I had one site that made me a lot of money and google decided one day they didn't like it, so they upped my bids to $11 minimum on any keyword I had or entered. They're basically saying, "F you, if you want to use us, pay us a fortune". It works because people either quit using them or figure out how to use them the way they want. The way they want does not always make sense, but it is what it is. (I love that saying.)
So, for my merchant in the uk debt management sector, they will allow me to collect all information on my own site using my own form and then forward that info onto them. This is beneficial for several reasons.
1.) You get to see the data and make sure it's legit before submitting to the merchant.
2.) Because of that, you know exactly how many quality leads you are sending and information is power.
3.) No merchant phone number begging the person to call them. Usually if they call, you don't get paid. Although some sites have phone tracking too, I just prefer to collect my own info.
4.) Branding. If you've ever used white label sites, you know how good they are. You can compete with the merchant on a level playing field.
5.) Tracking. You get to track your keywords all the way through. You can use your own or use adwords/overture/msn's tracking, but at least you will know the keyword that converted. This is difficult with most merchants. (Although there are some that will work with you on this, but you need to be sending some decent business first).
So, my landing site is going to have several pages, lots of useful, related content and I like to show my form on every page, (ie make it part of the overall site design). I had a buddy of mine make up a template for me because I do lots of things, but I stink at graphics. My site cost $50 total but that was for a one page template. I filled in everything including the form and back end code. (If you can't do that, you can pay someone to do it too). Basically, the person fills in my form, I get an email with the information, I get an entry into my own database, the person gets a thank you email and then the information is checked for valid data. If the data is valid, my scrip auto submits it to the merchant using another script I wrote. IF the data is not complete or faulty, (fake app or just funky looking phone, email or postal code), then I get an email telling me it wasn't submitted to the merchant. That lead is not dead, I can contact the person and get them to correct any faulty data. IF it's a fake app, my script will catch it, so the merchant doesn't recieve crappola.
Now from a ppc perspective, the site must reflect and be relevant to the keywords, ad copy and overall theme of the industry. So I use a simple echo statement to show the keyword in the meta tags and at least twice on the page body. (All my destination urls send the keyword to the landing page.) I've found this increases my quality score on adwords and gets me cheaper bids. It will also help on msn and overture.
The site is half the battle, once complete, you can tweak it to suit your needs or improve conversions, but make one change at a time and document all your changes and their results. The hardest part of ppc marketing is finding those golden nugget keywords. Golden nuggets are ones that convert to a lead at a cheap price. In competitive areas, they are harder to find, but they are out there. You have to be creative. I use the search engines to find my initial keywords. For example, I can type in "uk debt advice" into google.co.uk and browswe through the results jotting down any phrases that stick out. Then you just keep on entering new phrases into google and find more and more keywords. You can also have a look at newspapers, magazines and even the television for ideas. I've even gone so far as to ASK the person what other things they might type into a search engine to find what they were looking for. (After they have completed my form). You can also use the hundreds of software packages out there like wordtracker or keyword discovery, but remember, everyone uses those, so chances of finding something new are pretty slim. Another good technique is to build a list of adjectives, nouns and verbs then use a "jumble" script to put them togther in various combinations, then exact match them in adwords. Yet another great technique is to find misspellings of high volume keywords, you can even combine those misspellings using a jumble script.
Anyhow, keywords are the biggest part of your initial and ongoing tasks.
Day T-minus 1:
So today I continued working on my site. Filled it with content and a privacy policy, (a must now for ppc engines). I also tested my scripts to make sure they can handle everything I want them to. All is looking good on the site front.
On the keyword front, I now need to take that list of keywords and put it into adwords, overture and msn. Each system is slightly different from the other with adwords being the easiest to use and hardest to master from a profitability point of view. But adwords has the most traffic so I've got to use it. I just make sure I approach it with a slow and steady, lean and mean approach. I will make one campaign and have hundreds of adgroups in that campaign. I will never dump 2,000 keywords into an adgroup because that is just nuts and won't work. Instead I break my list up into groups of 1 to 25 words, all very much related and laser targetted to ONE thing. I will then make an adgroup for those words and use only phrase and exact match to start. Plus I have to make sure I turn off the content network as it is just junk. I make 2 ads per adgroup and make sure I've got my destination urls entered correctly. I also put my conversion code on my thank you page so I know what worked. I only entered one adgroup today as it was getting late. It has 10 keywords in it. For bidding, I like to bid high to start, (get on the first page), then trim the results as things convert or don't convert. I use my target ROI for this. If I want 100% roi, I have to pay half the payout for a lead. So if one of my lead pays $140, (one type does), then I can pay up to $70 for a keyword before I reduce the bid/leave it alone or delete it. That $70 is total spent, not the actual bid. The bid will be whatever it takes to get me on the first page of search results initially.
For overture, things go a bit faster. I can dump all those keywords in OR I can group them like I do with adwords, just not as narrow OR I can test batches at a time. I like to test large batches or related keywords at a time. This way my ad hopefully be more relevent and convert better. I make use of the "category" feature on overture, dumping batches into their own category using the date and them as the category name. (That way I know how long things have been in the system when going back to prune things later). So I may dump 500 to 1,000 keywords into one category and bid to first page results again. I have written a simple php script that takes a list of keywords and spits out the excel bulk upload sheet for me, with all the url keyword tracking 100% accurate, so I can see which keyword converted. THis is because OV doesn't have the {keyword} feature.
For msn, I take advantage of their bulk import feature for keywords, I am still trying to figure out how to only have phrase and exact match without having to bid $0.05 on broad. But I'll figure that out eventually. Both overture and msn use human editors, so getting keywords approved can take time. MSN has only a fraction of the traffic of google, but it converts very very nicely.
So that basically brings me up to the first day. I will continue to enter adgroups into adwords and dump keywords into overture and msn.
now aou start talking sense. keep in on like that and it will get evry interesting.
not more info required than the one you post, as the site and keywords are really irrelevant for this. if anyone doesn't master that part of the process for himself than he shouldn't be doing any of this anyways.
but the part on the landing page is interesting and provides some nice feats i need to think about the next time i set up a site.
not more info required than the one you post, as the site and keywords are really irrelevant for this. if anyone doesn't master that part of the process for himself than he shouldn't be doing any of this anyways.
but the part on the landing page is interesting and provides some nice feats i need to think about the next time i set up a site.
You said you don't know how to narrow down your keywords to exact match so here is how you can do that in Adwords, I'm not sure about the other ones but its straight forward.
"Your Keyword" - Quotes around the keyword mean that your ads will be shown when these two words are typed in (Doesn't matter what order they would be in)
[Your Keyword] - Brackets around your keyword mean that your keyword has to be typed in exactly like this in order for your ads to show up.
I'm sure I probably mis-interpeted what you said but anyway for those of you who don't know there you go, simple stuff.
"Your Keyword" - Quotes around the keyword mean that your ads will be shown when these two words are typed in (Doesn't matter what order they would be in)
[Your Keyword] - Brackets around your keyword mean that your keyword has to be typed in exactly like this in order for your ads to show up.
I'm sure I probably mis-interpeted what you said but anyway for those of you who don't know there you go, simple stuff.
I'm actually surprised beejeebers is continuing with this thread. Had it been me that started it and I received that rash of shit, I would have said "fuck it" and left.
I don't care if someone's a grandstanding asshole or not. I'm not saying you are or not, bejeebers; I don't know and don't care. But even if bejeebers IS a grandstanding asshole, SOMEONE will be able to learn SOMETHING from this thread. I know I probably will because I'm still pretty fucking new to this shit.
And yeah, maybe one can search the forums for this shit if they wanted to. But the only reason someone CAN search the forums for this info is because there was someone ELSE that posted good information before. One day, this may be a thread that we all refer newbs to. Who knows until we let the guy get going with it?
Now whether or not this is good info or not will be determined after it gets going, but for God's sake, let's let the man have his thread.
Or...fuck it. We don't and we just all keep talking about how fucking tall we are. Whatever the fuck you guys want.
I don't care if someone's a grandstanding asshole or not. I'm not saying you are or not, bejeebers; I don't know and don't care. But even if bejeebers IS a grandstanding asshole, SOMEONE will be able to learn SOMETHING from this thread. I know I probably will because I'm still pretty fucking new to this shit.
And yeah, maybe one can search the forums for this shit if they wanted to. But the only reason someone CAN search the forums for this info is because there was someone ELSE that posted good information before. One day, this may be a thread that we all refer newbs to. Who knows until we let the guy get going with it?
Now whether or not this is good info or not will be determined after it gets going, but for God's sake, let's let the man have his thread.
Or...fuck it. We don't and we just all keep talking about how fucking tall we are. Whatever the fuck you guys want.
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