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I don't really have many good pics left, but this is what I could dig up

So what we have on the right is a grill I drew up in CAD and would get laser cut from like .200" Stainless Steel, then I would sandblast them to hide the scratches in the steel, and to make the finish uniform. Sort of a gun metal gray finish.

The one on the right was a second edition grill I made. I sent them out of town to get powdercoated, where they bake an enamel onto them. same sort of enamel process they use on the handles of some power tools.

The second edition sets came with washers to lift the grills of the case, and screws, which would go through the case and into the fans, pulling the whole lot together. The powdercoated ones were from regular 1040 steel and would rust if they weren't kept oiled until powdercoating.

These weren't my best product by volume or margin, but I do wish I had been able to sell more. I had a few more designs made, and hardcore case builders liked them because they were fairly unique. Most fan grills were made in China in bulk from pot metal you could bend by hand. These ones were sturdy enough you could throw one like a ninja star and really fuck up the person you were throwing it at.

Very cool and thanks for sharing. I know this thread isn't really about those fans, but I would love to hear more about the experiences and/or lessons of that business.

If you don't mind a couple quick questions. Did you outsource the manufacturing process? Or were you doing your own lazer cutting? As to distribution you mentioned the "re-sellers" how did you come about your re-seller network? Was this just from the e-comm site? Or other marketing?

The other thing I was curious about was how you exited. Did you wind up selling off? Or just close up shop one day? I have been through a closing myself and was wondering if you cared to elaborate on the experience? For me it sucked but it changed me at my core.

If you don't want to get into it I certainly understand. Any additional thoughts are much appreciated. Thanks.
 


Anand... We've laughed, shared wonderful stories and I've cried it out in our little skype chat but I am privileged to share my life with such an amazing man who incidentally taught me the importance of grilling a nice meaty sausage correctly...You really are something special to this place ... I hope you stick around for awhile, you made 10k post and still have fire and determination in you that many lose before even 1k posts.
 
Loving the "straight out of Windsor" tag. I am hoping that was UG.

Yes it was good sir, you know me well. Much love and much respect for all your contributions to this place and to all of the healthy debates that have benefited me personally. Even when we don't agree I always leave the thread more knowledgable than I entered it.

Eli is a legend in this space.

Funny, I also took the DP --> BlueHat --> Wickedfire route to get here. The first time I read a post by Eli it suddenly clicked that there was A TON of money to be made online and I had A TON I needed to learn to be able to get some of it. In that instant, I simultaneously realized how backwards and useless DP had been and how good this forum was going to be. That was 6 years ago and I've been better off ever since thanks to the contributions from people like you and many others.
 
I thought I had already written my comment, but apparently not.

I appreciate the time you've spent helping me out and giving me advice on various ideas and projects I've worked on. I owe a lot of the fact that I can work full-time in my underwear at home to some of your advice, especially when I was considering quitting my full-time job.

Mostly though, I enjoyed the time playing Starcraft with you and Barry. Nothing has made me laugh quite as much as listening to you and Barry talk about whatever.
 
If you don't mind a couple quick questions. Did you outsource the manufacturing process? Or were you doing your own lazer cutting?
I did all the manufacturing myself. I did the design on my work computer which was a CAD workstation. The company I worked at had need for laser cutting services, and we had a go to vendor for that, so I had them quote all my work.

I finished the grills by hand, sometimes I paid a kid around the shop to do the sand/bead blasting. The powdercoating was shipped out of town, I forget exactly where, but it was like $20 to ship it overnight to their plant.

So it was a 100% "finished in Canada" product, I don't know where the steel came from.

As to distribution you mentioned the "re-sellers" how did you come about your re-seller network? Was this just from the e-comm site? Or other marketing?
My original business plan (if you can call a horrible plan a plan still) was to make samples, send them out and build a small catalog. Fan grills were typically in 60, 80, 92 and 120mm sizes. So all 4 sizes x each design x each finish. I would send them to resellers, and then like a n00b, I assumed if interested, they would place an order. I'd build the order, then ship out C.O.D.

Of course, no resellers were interested in a niche product (that was cool) when they could buy asian made fan grills for $1.20 (mine were $7 wholesale) and sell the $1.20 ones for $15 and make a killing.

So I didn't have a network, and again, I was super naive, so my solution, after working on this for a year, was to retail them myself. And to do so, I needed to buy a stock of fans, screws, wire grills and other common fan related items, because I didnt think people would only order the grills from me without getting all the stuff they needed to add another fan to their case. Back in those days, people had to cut and drill their cases to add another fan to it. Computer modding was hardcore DIY stuff.

My biggest problem once we pathetically limped across the launch finish line, was that I had no understanding at all of the distribution process, whether it was marketing, networking or reselling. I was one of those total fail stories, where someone launches a business and has no customers.

The other thing I was curious about was how you exited. Did you wind up selling off? Or just close up shop one day?
I closed up shop, then reopened a month later to do a sell off of inventory, and then I took the remaining inventory and sold it to a friend in the states operating a business which was almost a sister to my own. Since we did bulk importing together, and usually had similar inventory, I would dropship his Canadian orders and he would dropship my US orders.

I did the closing totally wrong, and didn't get any of the goodwill or equity out. If I had done it right, I probably could have sold it for 6 figures, but truth be told, I was very depressed at the time, and all I could think about was the state of my family. I wasn't able to make plans, or think rationally. And that state of mind was also one of the reasons I wound it down in the first place.

hth
 
Yes it was good sir, you know me well. Much love and much respect for all your contributions to this place and to all of the healthy debates that have benefited me personally. Even when we don't agree I always leave the thread more knowledgable than I entered it.
I really do like you despite our epic arguments. Or maybe because of them. Either way, you're a good man.

Mostly though, I enjoyed the time playing Starcraft with you and Barry. Nothing has made me laugh quite as much as listening to you and Barry talk about whatever.
Yeah, fun times.
 
I did all the manufacturing myself. I did the design on my work computer which was a CAD workstation. The company I worked at had need for laser cutting services, and we had a go to vendor for that, so I had them quote all my work.

I finished the grills by hand, sometimes I paid a kid around the shop to do the sand/bead blasting. The powdercoating was shipped out of town, I forget exactly where, but it was like $20 to ship it overnight to their plant.

So it was a 100% "finished in Canada" product, I don't know where the steel came from.


My original business plan (if you can call a horrible plan a plan still) was to make samples, send them out and build a small catalog. Fan grills were typically in 60, 80, 92 and 120mm sizes. So all 4 sizes x each design x each finish. I would send them to resellers, and then like a n00b, I assumed if interested, they would place an order. I'd build the order, then ship out C.O.D.

Of course, no resellers were interested in a niche product (that was cool) when they could buy asian made fan grills for $1.20 (mine were $7 wholesale) and sell the $1.20 ones for $15 and make a killing.

So I didn't have a network, and again, I was super naive, so my solution, after working on this for a year, was to retail them myself. And to do so, I needed to buy a stock of fans, screws, wire grills and other common fan related items, because I didnt think people would only order the grills from me without getting all the stuff they needed to add another fan to their case. Back in those days, people had to cut and drill their cases to add another fan to it. Computer modding was hardcore DIY stuff.

My biggest problem once we pathetically limped across the launch finish line, was that I had no understanding at all of the distribution process, whether it was marketing, networking or reselling. I was one of those total fail stories, where someone launches a business and has no customers.


I closed up shop, then reopened a month later to do a sell off of inventory, and then I took the remaining inventory and sold it to a friend in the states operating a business which was almost a sister to my own. Since we did bulk importing together, and usually had similar inventory, I would dropship his Canadian orders and he would dropship my US orders.

I did the closing totally wrong, and didn't get any of the goodwill or equity out. If I had done it right, I probably could have sold it for 6 figures, but truth be told, I was very depressed at the time, and all I could think about was the state of my family. I wasn't able to make plans, or think rationally. And that state of mind was also one of the reasons I wound it down in the first place.

hth
Hey man thanks for sharing. That story is so similar to mine it's not even funny. It's also part of the reason you help as many people as you do. It's amazing how our colossal fuckups can change things for not only you but the people around you. Thanks again
 
Awesome 10k and congrats!
I'm stoked you chose Wickedfire as your home and I'm already anxious for the 20k :)
Also thanks for the mention, it's a big compliment coming from you :)
 
Guerilla is on my list of the names I automatically think when I think WickedFire.

You may agree or disagree with him but you cannot deny he's one of the brightest guys here who brought lots of interesting discussions, resources, arguments and epic posts/threads.

Congratulations Guerilla.
 
Congrats Big G!

Congrats to you kind sir G.

Your story sounds shockingly similar to mine too... Except instead of case fans I sold robotic combat parts, and instead of the access DB I figured out OSCommerce, (just barely) and instead of DP I started on WaFo, and of course I didn't have a friend OD to death... Just a brother that OD's every single weekend of my childhood.

It's pretty uncanny otherwise... Although you obviously got started with Libertarianism then Voluntaryism much sooner than I did.

It'd be a great follow-up to tell us about your history with freethinking, if you're up for it.

Anyway, it was a solid, honest post. Thanks for sharing!
 
Dear Guerilla, thank you for your input and strong 10k.

It's sir Guerilla's merit that I stack here as well... I was registered here before but frankly never read and had no idea how wonderful this place is. Of course I also grew on Eli's Bluehat like many of you, but had no idea he is here as well. I knew Guerilla by LFE forum. And one day I asked him some advice... He introduced me to many good guys here, and then I realized what an amazing place WF is.

So, you are my godfather here, and I'm waiting for your 20k impatiently. Well, at least 11k ))
 
I didn't break down, because I don't break down. I just absorbed it all. All of the loss and all of the anger, and frustration, and helplessness. That's what I have always done. I soak it up and carry it with me.
Hate crying idiots and talking about it out loud how hard it is for them and on ... Suck it up,learn from your mistakes,adopt or die mofo.

Hope your journey and business prospers to a whole new level
 
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