1st Aug - anniversary of Warsaw Upraising

Stash walks into a bar, sits down, gets a beer...

Notices there's nothing but women in the place.

Asks the bartender (also a woman), "Hey, what's up with all the chicks? Think I got a shot at a date?"

Barkeep says, "Nah, I don't think so- they are lesbians".

Stash says "Yeah? What's a Lesbian?".

Barkeep says "They like to eat pussy".

Stash gets real quiet, finishes his beer, and walks out.

Gets home, walks up to his dad, and breaks into tears.

Dad says "Stash, my bubeluh, what's wrong?".

Stash blurts out...

I JUST FOUND OUT I'M A LESBIAN.

badabing, Polacks.
 


Like it or not, Zaino is essentially right.

Had the US of not entered the war on the side of the allies in December of 1941 and even delayed entry another year, the map of Europe would be far different today and could very possibly have ended in a German victory over the allies with all of Europe being a Nazi state along with a great deal of Russia included in that.


Germany's declaration of war on Poland is often misunderstood, but if you do even a little digging in history you'll find the answers.

During the treaty of Versailles which ended ww1, Germany had to give up a large portion of its country (now Poland) to people it felt that didn't deserve it. When they did that, poles from all around the world moved back to the newly formed country to build it up. Germany didn't like that one bit. Additionally they felt it was wrong not to have direct access to a large city like Königsberg. So after years of countries like France and the UK dropping the ball, they finally declared war on the Poles.

Germany wasn't alone in their hatred for the Poles, Russia lost land too when it came down to the end of ww1 and also invaded along with Germany. Once that was over, both Germany and the USSR both started in the wholesale slaughter of anyone in the country that was a threat - Communists, Facists (Depending on where you were), intellectuals, people that spoke polish, anyone with military experience, any politicians, anyone who had any skill essentially was a target for death.

The Warsaw uprising is something that every human being should understand. A small group of fighters against extreme odds decided that it was better to die than do nothing. they started with only about 2 dozen men with Lugers and a MP40 or two and grew it into one of the largest Partisan driven conflicts. However two things should be taken away - The western Allies didn't lift a finger to help. The USSR also purposely delayed the invasion of warsaw and eastern Poland by several days to insure a Polish defeat (And therefore more Poles dead). The Western allies had several chances, and had been advised of the large extermination camps in Central and Western Poland. The allies had the ability and knowledge that they could have easily liberated the prisoners, arm them, then have them act as a extra division in that region. They chose not to do this at all.

The USSR on the otherhand was much more sinister, letting tens of thousands of Poles die on purpose.

The WW2 period was a complex geo-political issue that 99% of people never learn about. No one was innocent as every nation did terrible things, although some nations were far worse in their crimes against humanity. The Pre-War period was just as complex and even more less understood.
 
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Like it or not, Zaino is essentially right.

Had the US of not entered the war on the side of the allies in December of 1941 and even delayed entry another year, the map of Europe would be far different today

You know the US was just as helpful in creating the problem of Nazi Germany in the first place, right?
 
to remidn you fuckers: during ww2 only poland stood up to germans while uk,france were beeing scared and due to that hitler was bombing city for 2 weeks after winning just to make sure poland wont build up fast back.
he was so mad he also was killing all educated people to make sure to country dies for ages.

now every year for 60 seconds whole city traffic stops to remind people who fought in this uneven battle for honor.

the 'hour W' is in 1h and 15 mins.

Poland got its ass handed to them in 1 month and a few days. What is your argument here? Polands a fucking joke, almost like France (took 7 more days)... ....Makes you wonder, the United States has apparently been at war with the middle east for tens of years. Fucking joke.

To remind you fuckers: The US is why the world doesnt speak german.
/thread

Really? Really dood? While the United States was fighting National Socialism, it withdrew it's troops to segregated bathrooms, not to mention it was illegal to interracially marry and several other forms of racism. The UK, France, USA, Russia and other similar Aryan countries - fought an Aryan Empire (like fighting fire with fire). The only difference is that Germans were a 'tad' bit more crazy and had an oath to the fatherland and to the fuhrer, surrender was never an option (hence why you had over 15-20,000 POW's in your little warsaw uprising). The German Reich fell because it was overwelmed and greedy and for no other reason. The USA had little part in anything. Fact of the matter is, the sole reason the beautiful aryan reich fell was due to the lebensraum and green of the German Reich.

Yes, the us, uk, and France had to kill the monster it created.

Winter & greed did this.
 
I remember your post from last year, got lost in the history of Poland for a few hours. What I took from that is that people will fight heroically to the death defending their home ... states only aim to destroy.

Just want to say props to you for being at least moderately interested in a side of the story nobody usually knows or gives a fuck about. I read about a bunch of shit on wikipedia a couple years ago, and look through this if you have time and haven't read about him:

Witold Pilecki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

cliff notes: Polish underground member (not commy), gets sent to Auschwitz on purpose, sends out reports on Jew exterminations (Allies dont do shit), breaks OUT of Auschwitz, Soviet Russia takes over Poland, gets caught sent to trial and executed.

I know nobody cares but imagine being that guy, ain't that some shit? Going all the way and not only do you get executed but your country still gets fucked over hard.

p.s. not Polish, just interested in History and its rammifications

Winter & greed did this.

as single-mindedly one-sided as you usually are, this definitely was the turning point and did contribute a huge amount to the allied victory
 
Pretty wild contrast of good information and shit smeared on walls in here.
 
Like it or not, Zaino is essentially right.

come on...

June 22 1941 - The third Reich declares surprising war on the USSR, after they had a peace treaty signed. No preparation for war with the Third Reich from the USSR whatsoever.

During June 1942 the most epic battle in History ensues in Stalingrad. The Germans and AHs fail to capture this very key city and continue with the invasion, although they have the overwhelmingly majority of their forces on the Eastern front. (3,200,000). First major defeat for the Germans. The tides are turned.

During this time USSR's factories start producing enough tanks and weapons instead of cars and radio sets and the USSR is on the chase.

Victory, after victory, after victory.

The only thing the US was essential for was handing out supplies. Which is not a small deed by any means. But if I remember correctly, this was counted as a national debt and repaid later. Which should speak volumes for the ideology and underlying strategy of the great United States of America. Profit and asset security, as well as acquiring more assets. This was the reason why the US entered the war. And they did in a way to minimize all their risk. PH only forced their hand, because of public outrage.

Saying that the US won WW2, when Germany had 80%+ of their forces on the Eastern front is pathetic and disrespectful to millions of people who gave their life, protecting the very land they slept on.
 
Really? Really dood? While the United States was fighting National Socialism, it withdrew it's troops to segregated bathrooms, not to mention it was illegal to interracially marry and several other forms of racism. The UK, France, USA, Russia and other similar Aryan countries - fought an Aryan Empire (like fighting fire with fire). The only difference is that Germans were a 'tad' bit more crazy and had an oath to the fatherland and to the fuhrer, surrender was never an option (hence why you had over 15-20,000 POW's in your little warsaw uprising). The German Reich fell because it was overwelmed and greedy and for no other reason. The USA had little part in anything. Fact of the matter is, the sole reason the beautiful aryan reich fell was due to the lebensraum and green of the German Reich.



Winter & greed did this.

The fact of the matter is that the " beautiful reich" fell because they were engaging in constant homosexual act and possibly bestiality.

Look it up, aside from the Romans -Hitler and company are the original faggots.
 
come on...

June 22 1941 - The third Reich declares surprising war on the USSR, after they had a peace treaty signed. No preparation for war with the Third Reich from the USSR whatsoever.

During June 1942 the most epic battle in History ensues in Stalingrad. The Germans and AHs fail to capture this very key city and continue with the invasion, although they have the overwhelmingly majority of their forces on the Eastern front. (3,200,000). First major defeat for the Germans. The tides are turned.

During this time USSR's factories start producing enough tanks and weapons instead of cars and radio sets and the USSR is on the chase.

Victory, after victory, after victory.

The only thing the US was essential for was handing out supplies. Which is not a small deed by any means. But if I remember correctly, this was counted as a national debt and repaid later. Which should speak volumes for the ideology and underlying strategy of the great United States of America. Profit and asset security, as well as acquiring more assets. This was the reason why the US entered the war. And they did in a way to minimize all their risk. PH only forced their hand, because of public outrage.

Saying that the US won WW2, when Germany had 80%+ of their forces on the Eastern front is pathetic and disrespectful to millions of people who gave their life, protecting the very land they slept on.


More than half the industrial output of the USSR existed solely because the US gave them the ability to do so.


The reason USSR industrial output existed is because the US sent them so much material, equipment and technical expertise that they had no choice but to build tons of weapons.

If you were driving in the USSR in something that wasn't a tank, it was likely provided by America. If you were driving something that used fuel, it was likely a mixture primarily made from American fuel sources. If you had bullets to fire, they very well may have been made in America. If you were on a train at any point, it was likely made in America. If your goods were EVER transported on a train or truck (Which was 95%+ of them) it was transported in some way by American equipment.

Don't take my word for it though, ask Gregory Zukhov what would have happened had the US not entered the war and sent the USSR millions of pounds of food, equipment and material.

He said (And this is a DIRECT quote) "However, one cannot deny that the Americans gave us so much material, without which we could not have formed our reserves and could not have continued the war . . . we had no explosives and powder. There was none to equip rifle bullets. The Americans actually came to our assistance with powder and explosives. And how much sheet steel did they give us. We really could not have quickly put right our production of tanks if the Americans had not helped with steel."

74% of all vehicle tires in the USSR were made in America.
92% of all railroad locomotives, rolling stock and rails.
74% of all truck transports
400,000 trucks
22,800 armored vehicles (tanks, half tracks, etc.)
Over ONE BILLION pounds of rail
14,798 aircraft
2,670,000 tons of petroleum products
1,200,000 tons of raw steel

Much of this was in 1941 and early 1942 when the USSR had absolutely no industrial output due to the bombing of western factories and moving what was left to Sibera for setup.
 
To remind you fuckers: The US is why the world doesnt speak german.

/thread

Wow, the propaganda seems to work really well in the US.

Saying Hitler wanted to conquer the whole world is like saying that Hussein has tons of WMD and that Assad is using chemical weapons against his civilians.

Misinformation fueled by the government that you hate so much seems to work like a charm.

Kudos to schockergd for being the only one who knows what he's talking about in this thread.
 
same shit as I said

ya, that's my point, if you bothered to read past the first sentence.

The only essential thing the US did during WW2 is to give supplies to parties leading a war. For profit.

HORRRRAAAYY!!!

Don't take my word for it. Ask Charles Higham or just read his book "Trading With the Enemy: An Exposé of The Nazi-American Money-Plot 1933-1949". (don't judge it for the cheap title)
 
ya, that's my point, if you bothered to read past the first sentence.

The only essential thing the US did during WW2 is to give supplies to parties leading a war. For profit.

HORRRRAAAYY!!!

Don't take my word for it. Ask Charles Higham or just read his book "Trading With the Enemy: An Exposé of The Nazi-American Money-Plot 1933-1949". (don't judge it for the cheap title)

Without those supplies, the USSR would have collapsed and the UK would have been forced to sign a peace treaty with Germany causing the greater part of Europe to be under control of the Reich.

That's all the US did because that's all we needed to do. At no point were we going to be invaded, so we were able to play out things the way our government and military wanted - Minor manpower commitments, massive industrial commitments. Our country was still mad about ww1 which we should have NEVER been involved in.

This of course ignores completely the Pacific theater. And while many other countries made significant commitments in terms of man and material, the US still reigned supreme there in terms of power and effectiveness.
 
You keep missing my point. The US played with everyone, including Germany. To make a profit from the war. Some even dare say that they even staged the scene in a way to create it. I don't know if the later is true, but it doesn't even matter.

Anyway, I tend not to argue with patriots, because it's not a situation I like to be in.

Keep calm and love your state :)
 
You keep missing my point. The US played with everyone, including Germany. To make a profit from the war. Some even dare say that they even staged the scene in a way to create it. I don't know if the later is true, but it doesn't even matter.

Anyway, I tend not to argue with patriots, because it's not a situation I like to be in.

Keep calm and love your state :)

A pretty significant amount of the war debt was written off.

In the case of the USSR, no less than 3 ships laden with platinum were sunk during the first and second 'happy times' during the battle of the atlantic. Instead of requesting payment, we wrote them off.

Treasure hunters 'find $3 billion in platinum on sunken WW2 British ship' - Telegraph

The war was profitable for the US, but not in ways you'd imagine. The US paid massive amounts of interest on the debt accumulated during the war (Remember, the war was almost entirely financed in the US via fiat currency - war bonds). Additionally, a great deal of lend-lease finances were provided directly from US citizens, free of charge to the various governments. (Unfortunately i don't have a scanner here, but I do have a photo of a bond drive for direct payment to the USSR from New York citizens for $20 million dollars. )

Sendagun.GIF


The real benefit was from the fact that the US economy was kicked into full gear for the duration of the war, and afterwards we had huge gains in manufacturing efficiency.

Additionally, the US was top dog after the end of ww2 and we could have used our clout to do anything we wanted. Unfortunately since FDR and Truman were both commies, their choice was to hand half of Europe to the USSR and dismantle the British Empire.
 
You keep missing my point. The US played with everyone, including Germany. To make a profit from the war. Some even dare say that they even staged the scene in a way to create it. I don't know if the later is true, but it doesn't even matter.

Anyway, I tend not to argue with patriots, because it's not a situation I like to be in.

Keep calm and love your state :)

A good deal of information on the Anglo-American loan schemes (Along with cash and carry + material for bases agreements ) at the following.

Anglo-American loan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Destroyers for Bases Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_and_carry_(World_War_II)
 
happy this thread gets bumped and some clueless people can learn a bit of history that they missed in school.
whats important about warsaw upraising is that: polish people were totlaly unnoumered, 60% of them had no weapons (!) yet hitlers top equipped soldiers couldnt beat them up for over 2 months. it was pure fight for honor that was impossible to be won.

about your USA vs Hitler stuff. Why did the USA support Hitler and Nazi Germany? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

Mainly USA was lending money to Hitler at start, but then when they saw where hes going and how can he fuckup even USA they started helping USSR.