911 Imam shows true colors

[medicalhumor]

so if Popeye and his brothers Hellblazer and LotsofZeros decide to go out one day and start bombing the homes of Warrior Forum and Digital Point members in the name of Wickedfire, by your reasoning, we are all in it together. The entire community of Wickedfire is now tied to you three fucking morons and we are all guilty from here on out of being internetz terrorists. And when heavyt and NickyCakes don't stand up and denounce you all, cause they're working on new campaigns, we are all terrorist sympathizers.

You guys are nothing but generalizing, hate-filled, ignorant, prejudiced pussies.

All of your arguments are based on grouping 1 billion people all together based on the acts of a few. The media and right wing extremists (Gingrich, Palin, etc.) fuel this ignorance by creating controversy, the media for ratings, and conservatives for attention so they can get votes based on fear.

I know LOTS of Muslims, and they are some of the most respectful, honest, and charitable people I know. The only Muslims you hear about are from Glen Beck.

 

[adigitalorange]

so if Popeye and his brothers Hellblazer and LotsofZeros decide to go out one day and start bombing the homes of Warrior Forum and Digital Point members in the name of Wickedfire, by your reasoning, we are all in it together. The entire community of Wickedfire is now tied to you three fucking morons and we are all guilty from here on out of being internetz terrorists. And when heavyt and NickyCakes don't stand up and denounce you all, cause they're working on new campaigns, we are all terrorist sympathizers.

You guys are nothing but generalizing, hate-filled, ignorant, prejudiced pussies.

All of your arguments are based on grouping 1 billion people all together based on the acts of a few. The media and right wing extremists (Gingrich, Palin, etc.) fuel this ignorance by creating controversy, the media for ratings, and conservatives for attention so they can get votes based on fear.

I know LOTS of Muslims, and they are some of the most respectful, honest, and charitable people I know. The only Muslims you hear about are from Glen Beck.

Do you think it is disrespectful to build the Mosque there despite millions of people against it? Again I am so confused. Maybe they should be able to build the Mosque because it is their right, but I think if you can't admit the right thing to do would be just move it because of the millions against it, again as the POPE did, and showed true class, then you sir are a fucking moron.

Again they have every right, but I want someone to actually try and stand up and say it is a tactful move. In doing the same thing, are you guys saying the pope should've said "fuck that the jews are pissed we are going to keep it here anyway".

Please one of you liberals answer this, should the pope when presented with a very similar situation have told the Jews to fuck off and kept it there because legally they could?

 

[medicalhumor]

No, I don't think it's disrespectful to build the Mosque, just because millions of people are against it, because they are against based on ignorance, prejudice, and misinformation.
There are groups protesting the building of a new WTC at ground zero, there are groups that think everything in the area should be preserved as a memorial, but they don't own the land and just because they have emotional ties (deservedly so) doesn't mean that they get to choose what goes there and what doesn't. The people that own the property and the port authority do.

The pope can do what he pleases. Personally, I think the Jews are making too much of a big deal about it. The building has a horrible past, and I respect that, but at least making a convent out of it now, shows that they are taking something that was once a bad thing and resurrecting it into something that can do some good for people.

Do you think it is disrespectful to build the Mosque there despite millions of people against it? Again I am so confused. Maybe they should be able to build the Mosque because it is their right, but I think if you can't admit the right thing to do would be just move it because of the millions against it, again as the POPE did, and showed true class, then you sir are a fucking moron.

Again they have every right, but I want someone to actually try and stand up and say it is a tactful move. In doing the same thing, are you guys saying the pope should've said "fuck that the jews are pissed we are going to keep it here anyway".

Please one of you liberals answer this, should the pope when presented with a very similar situation have told the Jews to fuck off and kept it there because legally they could?

 

[medicalhumor]

and nobody in either case is telling anybody to fuck off, except maybe the protesters of the Mosque. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion by anit-muslim groups and conservative politicians in order to gain political traction.

Please one of you liberals answer this, should the pope when presented with a very similar situation have told the Jews to fuck off and kept it there because legally they could?

 

[LotsOfZeros]

You guys are nothing but generalizing, hate-filled, ignorant, prejudiced pussies.

WTF did I ever do to you?

Talk about generalizations.

Fucking asshole.

 

[adigitalorange]

The pope can do what he pleases. Personally, I think the Jews are making too much of a big deal about it.

Ok then I am fine with your posisiton as long as you can admit that. I just hate when I see a lot of the liberals here bringing up Christianity. I just think you either have to say one way or the other, both are correct or both are wrong. So again like you as long as you are consistent I am fine with that.

I still have a problem with the other liberals in here who randomly brought up Christianity because you have some personal vendetta against it for whatever reason (as a lot of liberals seem to have). Just be consistent.

I think you have to agree if you are logical (yes I know this will be hard for you liberals) to either admit:

a. The pope did the right thing as a leader of his religion, and the Muslim leaders should as well for their religion

or

b. The Jews overreacted, much in the same way conservatives are.

Either way liberals looks like you're going to have to do something you don't normally do (either admit the pope did the right thing, or admit the Jews are overreacting).

Again, that is me just being logical, with some people's thoughts in this thread and their personal vendetta against Christianity I am sure as hell somebody will find a way to twist it and say the Jews are right but the Christians are wrong.

 

[turbolapp]

As a religious person, do you really want government telling a religion where they can worship? Regardless of reason, do you want that interference?

Did anyone else just catch the irony of a Brit having to educate an American about separation of church and state?

 

[kblessinggr]

Did anyone else just catch the irony of a Brit having to educate an American about separation of church and state?

I actually forgot he was a brit even though its right smack under his avatar.

 

[medicalhumor]

I'm not bashing Christianity or Judaism, nor have I in the past. I have no issues with either religion. So please don't lump all of us liberals together, just like you are with Muslims. We are all individuals and believe it or not, I can think for myself.

As far as your a or b choices:

a. The pope did the right thing as a leader of his religion, and the Muslim leaders should as well for their religion

or

b. The Jews overreacted, much in the same way conservatives are.

The pope did what he thought was right for his situation. But they are two separate issues, with different circumstances and should not be confused with each other. Each decision is a separate entity and needs to be addressed as such.

As far as b. The Jews overreacted, much in the same way conservatives are. - yes, I think both are over reacting, and I'm not making a case that the Jews are at fault. The Jews are not against this based on any prejudice or hatred of Christians. The conservatives are. Again, two different sets of circumstances.

You are making the mistake in each of these, of comparing two issues that do not share the same set of circumstances.

Ok then I am fine with your posisiton as long as you can admit that. I just hate when I see a lot of the liberals here bringing up Christianity. I just think you either have to say one way or the other, both are correct or both are wrong. So again like you as long as you are consistent I am fine with that.

I still have a problem with the other liberals in here who randomly brought up Christianity because you have some personal vendetta against it for whatever reason (as a lot of liberals seem to have). Just be consistent.

I think you have to agree if you are logical (yes I know this will be hard for you liberals) to either admit:

a. The pope did the right thing as a leader of his religion, and the Muslim leaders should as well for their religion

or

b. The Jews overreacted, much in the same way conservatives are.

Either way liberals looks like you're going to have to do something you don't normally do (either admit the pope did the right thing, or admit the Jews are overreacting).

Again, that is me just being logical, with some people's thoughts in this thread and their personal vendetta against Christianity I am sure as hell somebody will find a way to twist it and say the Jews are right but the Christians are wrong.

 

[popeye]

Did anyone else just catch the irony of a Brit having to educate an American about separation of church and state?

This is another "truth" that is thrown around by liberals and taught by over zealous teachers. The constitution states NOTHING concerning the seperation of church and state.

The whole sepration of church and state idea came from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Babtist Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin. While I do believe that the government should stay out of religious affairs this situation is a special one. The cult known as Islam is a national security threat to our country. It is producing numbers of terrorist and jihadist that are out to kill innocent (the more the better) men, women and children. Not only is Islam infected with these jihadist but Islam by it's very nature is a political movement as well.

There are numbers of so called moderate clerics that have stated that their goal is to bring about sharia law into the Western world. Not only is sharia law repressive and violent towards women but it stands against the very nature of our constitution.

While the great majority of Western muslims may be peaceful, their are thousands that want to dismantle our western belief system and replace it with theirs....by the end of a gun if necessary.

 

[kblessinggr]

This is another "truth" that is thrown around by liberals and taught by over zealous teachers. The constitution states NOTHING concerning the seperation of church and state.

The whole sepration of church and state idea came from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Babtist Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin. While I do believe that the government should stay out of religious affairs this situation is a special one. The cult known as Islam is a national security threat to our country. It is producing numbers of terrorist and jihadist that are out to kill innocent (the more the better) men, women and children. Not only is Islam infected with these jihadist but Islam by it's very nature is a political movement as well.

There are numbers of so called moderate clerics that have stated that their goal is to bring about sharia law into the Western world. Not only is sharia law repressive and violent towards women but it stands against the very nature of our constitution.

While the great majority of Western muslims may be peaceful, their are thousands that want to dismantle our western belief system and replace it with theirs....by the end of a gun if necessary.

... first amendment?

 

[adigitalorange]

So please don't lump all of us liberals together, just like you are with Muslims.

Ok maybe I did lump all of you together and I will admit I was wrong in doing that. But please don't come in here with your self-righteous bullshit after you said this:

You guys are nothing but generalizing, hate-filled, ignorant, prejudiced pussies.

Holy mother fucking shit, that isn't a generalization or anything. Again, I admitted I was wrong, so I hope you can too because you did EXACTLY what you just tried to correct me for.

The Jews are not against this based on any prejudice or hatred of Christians. The conservatives are.

I would argue that is a matter of opinion. The reason I am against this is I think it is extremely distasteful, no matter how legitimate or illegitimate their anger is. If I were the Pope I would've backed down, if I was the head Imam, I would back down as well. And the fact he isn't has nothing to do with me being prejudice, it has something to do with respecting something very sensitive. We aren't talking about some priest raping a boy, we are talking about a site where thousands of people were murdered. Yeah, I know 99.999% of Muslims don't agree with it and had no part in it, but the sad thing is 50% of Americans (I just threw that number out there) for whatever reason still think they are. So the point I am trying to make is I see no reason at all to "kindle the fire" unless you just flat out don't give a fuck what we think (and they stated they do, because they are trying to better their relations with us).

 

[kblessinggr]

While the great majority of Western muslims may be peaceful, their are thousands that want to dismantle our western belief system and replace it with theirs....by the end of a gun if necessary.

Though most of what you suggested would likely turn those majority of 'peaceful' muslims into enemies on our own home front, and justly so if we violate any of our citizens' own constitutional rights. Once we cross that light we might as well become a full dictatorship.

 

[Uptime]

So this is how you get thousands of posts . . . mmmmm

 

[medicalhumor]

WTF did I ever do to you?

Talk about generalizations.

Fucking asshole.

Holy mother fucking shit, that isn't a generalization or anything. Again, I admitted I was wrong, so I hope you can too because you did EXACTLY what you just tried to correct me for.

see how it feels??? That's exactly the kind of reaction things like that generate.

Yes, I did over generalize on that and I do not think that. I used that to illustrate my point.

LotsOfZeros and adigitalorange, I have nothing against either one of you and please don't take that as my true feelings toward either one of you. Popeye and Hellblazer, you really haven't given any indication that it's not true about you however. Prove me wrong by having an open discourse without the hyperbole and hate.

 

[medicalhumor]

How many here feel this way on everything? Do the AM's pushing rebills say, Oh, sorry, you fat people that are pissed at getting rebilled are right. You all disagree with what we are doing, we'll start selling amazon products instead.

I would argue that is a matter of opinion. The reason I am against this is I think it is extremely distasteful, no matter how legitimate or illegitimate their anger is.

 

[BubbaGump64]

so if Popeye and his brothers Hellblazer and LotsofZeros decide to go out one day and start bombing the homes of Warrior Forum and Digital Point members in the name of Wickedfire, by your reasoning, we are all in it together. The entire community of Wickedfire is now tied to you three fucking morons and we are all guilty from here on out of being internetz terrorists. And when heavyt and NickyCakes don't stand up and denounce you all, cause they're working on new campaigns, we are all terrorist sympathizers.

What a terrible analogy. If popeye, hellblazer, and lotsofzeros decided to go out and bomb Warrior Forum and DP in the name of WF, then that would be an isolated incident.

To make your analogy more logical, let's assume that 10 days after the initial bombing, 3 more WF members went out and bombed Warrior Forum and DP in the name of WF. People may start to suspect that something fishy is going on at WF.

Then, let's assume that maybe another 10 days later, 3 more members carried out bombings of Warrior Forum and DP in the name of WF. People would seriously start to consider that WF is some sort of "hang out" or "breeding ground" for bombers and that they promote the bombings of other forums. It's logical to think that.

If at that point, WF members fail to denounce the bombings, then hell yeah, people are going to think your a terrorist "bomber" sympathizer.

My point is that attacks in the name of Islam are not isolated and continue to happen around the world. I just don't understand how people don't connect violence and Islam.

 

[Demon]

so if Popeye and his brothers Hellblazer and LotsofZeros decide to go out one day and start bombing the homes of Warrior Forum and Digital Point members in the name of Wickedfire, by your reasoning, we are all in it together. The entire community of Wickedfire is now tied to you three fucking morons and we are all guilty from here on out of being internetz terrorists. And when heavyt and NickyCakes don't stand up and denounce you all, cause they're working on new campaigns, we are all terrorist sympathizers.

hahaha +rep

 

[medicalhumor]

thing is, there are lots of mulims that denounce violence and the radicals that were involved with 9/11.
but there are lots of people with their hands over their ears singing lalalalala lalala and don't want to hear any of it. They just want to hate. it's much easier to just blame the entire group.

I understand that there is a radical Islam and that they are way fucking backwards and need to be dealt with. In no way am I trying to say they don't exist. I'm just saying that there is a much much larger group of people that are getting associated with them and they hate the radicals as much as anyone.

What a terrible analogy. If popeye, hellblazer, and lotsofzeros decided to go out and bomb Warrior Forum and DP in the name of WF, then that would be an isolated incident.

To make your analogy more logical, let's assume that 10 days after the initial bombing, 3 more WF members went out and bombed Warrior Forum and DP in the name of WF. People may start to suspect that something fishy is going on at WF.

Then, let's assume that maybe another 10 days later, 3 more members carried out bombings of Warrior Forum and DP in the name of WF. People would seriously start to consider that WF is some sort of "hang out" or "breeding ground" for bombers and that they promote the bombings of other forums. It's logical to think that.

If at that point, WF members fail to denounce the bombings, then hell yeah, people are going to think your a terrorist "bomber" sympathizer.

My point is that attacks in the name of Islam are not isolated and continue to happen around the world. I just don't understand how people don't connect violence and Islam.

 

[ChrisS]

That's it, I'm pulling out the big guns.

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