America's Broken Dreams - Documentary - The new American poor: the middle class

22:22... shit reminds me of that south park episode where there was no internet and stan and his family had to move to Californi.
 


I'm so glad i don't have kids!! I'm glad i watched this, i recently graduated from college, i have no job and have been home for the past two months. Both my parents are retired and watching this vid just made me appreciate what i have, i've been really preoccupied with what i don't, so realizing what i do have is pretty important.

I do IM but since i don't have the start up cash I'm probably going to have to grind it out for a couple of years, before i could build something that i would like. Definetly wouldn't want to be in those peoples shoes, i mean kids, no job, fat....Ugh.
 
Damn, I feel for that 1 fat bitch. She has to take care of 2 young kids and her hubby is across the country working for $8/h and she gotta sleep in a car.

Damn. Shit gives you perspective. And yet still, she might have to go through that.... but imagine someone in the third world doing that, with no car at all, no writing/reading skills and no arms and no legs and death and blind and mute.

Can't really complain about my shitty situations.
 
Go visit the slums in the hills of Tegucigalpa, Honduras or Port-au-Prince, Haiti

Or I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen.
 
There is a reason many poor people in the US are fat. Calories do not equal nutrition. Cheap food has no nutrients but tons of calories, leaving the body to crave nutrients and easily becoming addicted to the sugars that are easily available. Blaming poor people for eating too much is pure ignorance.

Nutrition costs a lot of money unless you grow it yourself.

Fat man excuse.

Chicken breast cost nothing, neither does turkey. Tuna is reasonably priced as well. Add some vegetables (tomatoes, cucumber, chilies etc). Cost less than a big mac.
 
Fat man excuse.

Chicken breast cost nothing, neither does turkey. Tuna is reasonably priced as well. Add some vegetables (tomatoes, cucumber, chilies etc). Cost less than a big mac.

Really? You can buy all the ingredients to make a chicken / turkey / tuna sandwich for $1.50? :thumbsup:
 
Really? You can buy all the ingredients to make a chicken / turkey / tuna sandwich for $1.50? :thumbsup:

Sort of, I bought a pound of prepared chicken salad, a package of Swiss cheese and 5 croissant for about $20.00, I had 5 sandwiches for lunch the entire week, so that breaks down to about $4 a day, the same cost as a Big Mac, but much healthier. The thing is that you have to make your own food and if your lazy its much easier getting fast good
 
Really? You can buy all the ingredients to make a chicken / turkey / tuna sandwich for $1.50? :thumbsup:

Most of the people in the Youtube vid seemed to have popped out anywhere from 2 - 6 kids, so depends... cooking for one, or a family of 6 - 8? If a family, without question it's cheaper to cook healthy meals.
 
Most of the people in the Youtube vid seemed to have popped out anywhere from 2 - 6 kids, so depends... cooking for one, or a family of 6 - 8? If a family, without question it's cheaper to cook healthy meals.

Sort of, I bought a pound of prepared chicken salad, a package of Swiss cheese and 5 croissant for about $20.00, I had 5 sandwiches for lunch the entire week, so that breaks down to about $4 a day, the same cost as a Big Mac, but much healthier. The thing is that you have to make your own food and if your lazy its much easier getting fast good

You guys miss the point entirely. Where the fuck do you keep that shit? Living in your car, where, pray tell, do you keep a weeks worth of food even if you could afford the initial outlay? It's not a matter of cost over time, its a matter of hand-to-mouth.

Shitty food keeps forever, doesn't need to be refrigerated and so on.

There is no cash to build a reserve or base of food, to shop long term, even a week ahead is problematic.

If you buy in full quantities, plan ahead, have a place to keep quantities of food, you totally spend less. But when you have no where to keep the, and / or only a few $, you can't do that.


The best way I can describe it is that very often poor people eat shit food for the same reason they end up in weekly pay hotel-homes - requires less cash on hand.
 
Sort of, I bought a pound of prepared chicken salad, a package of Swiss cheese and 5 croissant for about $20.00, I had 5 sandwiches for lunch the entire week, so that breaks down to about $4 a day, the same cost as a Big Mac, but much healthier. The thing is that you have to make your own food and if your lazy its much easier getting fast good

You can eat cheap, but if living in your car you can't do it with chicken salad.

You can buy cans of beans, tuna packs, crackers, etc and each day swing by the market and grab some raw veggies - not ideal but possible.

Yet there is likely some level of mental illness in many people - depressed, screwed up in their heads, family problems, personal problems, ramifications of bad choices, etc all of which add up to no "hope".

Without hope, they just grab the Big Mac and let the carbs and fat satiate their minds for a time - like a drug.
 
Where the fuck do you keep that shit? Living in your car, where, pray tell, do you keep a weeks worth of food even if you could afford the initial outlay? It's not a matter of cost over time, its a matter of hand-to-mouth.

Oh, I have a business idea, a room full of small lockable refrigerators that you rent for about $100/mo, or whatever is reasonable depending on electricity cost.
 
You guys miss the point entirely. Where the fuck do you keep that shit? Living in your car, where, pray tell, do you keep a weeks worth of food even if you could afford the initial outlay? It's not a matter of cost over time, its a matter of hand-to-mouth.

Shitty food keeps forever, doesn't need to be refrigerated and so on.

There is no cash to build a reserve or base of food, to shop long term, even a week ahead is problematic.

If you buy in full quantities, plan ahead, have a place to keep quantities of food, you totally spend less. But when you have no where to keep the, and / or only a few $, you can't do that.


The best way I can describe it is that very often poor people eat shit food for the same reason they end up in weekly pay hotel-homes - requires less cash on hand.

i thought the point of the vid was that the middle class is the new poor. how are the conditions you described in any way middle class? that's just flat out poor. nobody in the middle class lives in their car with 19 kids and no cash.

as to the logistical problem of food storage, there are plenty of alternatives to fast food that don't require refrigeration or lots of space. i recently finished a 6 week camping trip & i wasn't eating crap, refrigerating, or buying in bulk... and i was cooking with a portable stove that cost $20 total.

in a nutshell, the way you described it, they eat shit food because its a pain in the ass to go to the grocery every 2 days. quality decisions like that hint at why they are living in a car.
 
You guys miss the point entirely. Where the fuck do you keep that shit? Living in your car, where, pray tell, do you keep a weeks worth of food even if you could afford the initial outlay? It's not a matter of cost over time, its a matter of hand-to-mouth.

Shitty food keeps forever, doesn't need to be refrigerated and so on.

There is no cash to build a reserve or base of food, to shop long term, even a week ahead is problematic.

If you buy in full quantities, plan ahead, have a place to keep quantities of food, you totally spend less. But when you have no where to keep the, and / or only a few $, you can't do that.


The best way I can describe it is that very often poor people eat shit food for the same reason they end up in weekly pay hotel-homes - requires less cash on hand.

If you make under x number of dollars you'll qualify for food stamps, rental assistance and many other government handouts.

But I wonder how many of the people in the video smoke, drink, do drugs or gamble?
 
There is a reason many poor people in the US are fat. Calories do not equal nutrition. Cheap food has no nutrients but tons of calories, leaving the body to crave nutrients and easily becoming addicted to the sugars that are easily available. Blaming poor people for eating too much is pure ignorance.

Nutrition costs a lot of money unless you grow it yourself.

I sometimes wonder about "too poor to eat healthy" vs "too lazy to eat healthy".

I see people loading their carts full of 4/$10 on sale frozen pizzas when that same $10 could buy them 5 pounds of raw chicken and 5 pounds of frozen vegetables on sale at my local supermarket.

25 pound bags of rice cost about $16 for hundreds of servings.
 
Really? You can buy all the ingredients to make a chicken / turkey / tuna sandwich for $1.50? :thumbsup:

Outside the US yes, buying those things are cheaper than a big mac - almost. A whopper/big mac isn't even that bad. It's the extra large fries and coke which go long with it.
 
I can't change minds, and that's ok I guess, but do consider the desperation, fear, the abject sense of loss, upon being thrust (by fault or not) into a situation of homelessness with no money.

I've been in some rough spots, but even so I don't think I can truly comprehend what it would be like to cross over that edge. And knowing that I can't really know, gives me pause before I pass judgement.

And with that, as I have nothing more constructive to add, I'm out.
( I reserve the right to return without explanation should I so desire:P )