Any interest in an MBA?

I'm starting a MBA at a top 20 school this fall.

In after and before more ignorant people say it's worthless.


If you want to learn a specific skill, e.g finance, why not do a one year specialist course in that? If you want to learn about business go apprentice yourself to a successful business person.

I'm scratching my head at people who would be drawn to a community such as this hive of gay web masters and seriously consider doing an MBA ! The one thing you will get good at is the case study approach and who the fuck needs that?

And yes the initials after my name are BA (Hons), MA.

Just walk away.
 


I was thinking about doing a joint JD/MBA at the University where I did undergrad. It's a (large) state school, but the law school is highly ranked. I guess I'm more intrigued by something like that, though I must admit I haven't really looked into it much. I have no interest in relocating or joining the Illuminati, though.
 
How can a school know anything valuable about the Internet? Why would you want to transition into the corporate world? A degree without work is what most people want, that's why they go to school. School is for people who don't have the balls to do what they should be doing. School is a form of procrastination and dependency. Anybody who is going to school to work for somebody else deserves to pay high taxes, deserves to be enslaved through student debt, and deserves to be poor. It's a mindless emotional reaction that people do because of marketing, not because of reason. If you want to learn marketing look deep into why everyone wants to go to school. That's marketing.

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Do you guys with engineering degrees not realize that your engineering skills are more valuable for starting and running a business than the corporate drone skills taught in most MBA programs?

Business is a soft skill which I can teach to any reasonably intelligent person, whereas an engineers mind is something special. I would much rather start a company with someone that has a background in engineering than someone with a business degree. Food for thought.
This.

Having a background in engineering or computer science is such a competitive advantage. You can start businesses in areas where there is a lot less competition because the barrier to entry to get those skills is so much higher.
 
MBA? Not a chance. To get one from a good program, you're looking at nearly $100k annually in tuition/board/supplies/etc. Even worse, it's either 2 years away from your work or you spend 2-3 years doing the work-all-day, school-all-night thing. And you're only young once - you can't get that time back once you use it that way. How much income, progress, and enjoyment are you sacrificing with that degree?

If you think there's anything an MBA will teach you that you can't learn from a combination of books, networking, and real-world experience, you're crazy. A good degree is a great credibility indicator, but it's certainly not the only one, or even the best. It can give you access to a great network (if you choose to take advantage of it) but then again, so can a lot of fun things that cost far less...

-Charity work (though some charities are certainly more "posh" than others, so choose wisely if networking is your goal)

-Engaging in expensive hobbies. Example: Try Googling the names of people who bring cars to the Pebble Beach Concours. The event itself is not crazy expensive, and the kind of people who own vintage Aston Martins are generally pretty rich and well-connected. With a shared interest, you have plenty of material to kick off the conversation.

-Flying first class (though I personally hate talking on planes), hanging out in nice hotels in business districts in big cities

-Networking events. If the event is on Meetup.com, you can even look up attendees in advance and figure out who you should make a point of talking to.

-Volunteer with a political party

-Attend high-end functions. $300 front-row tickets to a winery concert can put you in between some of the top businesspeople in your metro area...celebrities, too, on occasion. A $500/plate charity dinner can put you at a table with the same kind of people AND help a worthy cause.

-Find a nonprofit that grants access to special events for large donors. For example, $1000 gets you into a donor circle at the Monterey Bay Aquarium where you get access to exclusive events and receptions with the director (it's right by Carmel-by-the-Sea and Pebble Beach so a lot of influential people get involved there). $10k will get you a leadership/board role at a lot of big city museums. It's also tax deductible and it comes with the added bonus of warm and fuzzy feelings for helping out a good institution and educating/inspiring future generations.


Making time for a couple unusual hobbies or experiences doesn't hurt, either. It makes you memorable and interesting in a world where most people are...not.

You actually have a huge advantage in networking that way if you know anything at all about the internet. Even if you're not very good at what you do...most people (especially older, more established businesspeople) know far less. If you can be the expert while still giving the other person plenty of opportunities to brag on their own accomplishments, you'll walk away with a valuable connection.

An MBA is the uncreative solution to a problem that can be solved more efficiently. As such, it's a crowded path with a lower ROI than a lot of other avenues. It's the classic case of "sometimes it's harder to be average than exceptional". There are definitely individual factors that will make it more worthwhile for some people (ego, love of school, corporate career, etc.), but there's not much that could persuade me to divert that much focus and money away from what I'm doing now.
 
MBA ain't worth shit, if you ask me. How many people you know that run successful businesses that have done MBAs.
 
My next goal is to start a legitimate Multi-Million dollar company, sell it off, and apply for Harvard, only.
I don't think a "Harvard or Bust" mentality will serve you.

There are a bunch of amazing business schools with networking opportunities the equal of or superior to Harvard's. (And yes, at this level the networking opportunities becomes almost more important than what you learn)
 
There are a bunch of amazing business schools with networking opportunities the equal of or superior to Harvard's. (And yes, at this level the networking opportunities becomes almost more important than what you learn)

I think this is definitely the biggest factor in going for an MBA at a top school. The connections you create will be very valuable down the line. An MBA from a small school is definitely NOT worth it IMO.

Stefanie also made some great points about alternative ways to network with similar crowds.
 
I had to do a couple group projects with MBA students in my engineering classes while at Stanford. They didn't really seem that impressive. They did have excellent time management skills though.

I'm thinking about applying for an MBA eventually. But if MBA admissions are anything like trying to find a job, I'm shit out of luck. Apparently being self-employed for the past 3 years is not something that hiring managers look very highly upon...
 
I had to do a couple group projects with MBA students in my engineering classes while at Stanford. They didn't really seem that impressive. They did have excellent time management skills though.

I'm thinking about applying for an MBA eventually. But if MBA admissions are anything like trying to find a job, I'm shit out of luck. Apparently being self-employed for the past 3 years is not something that hiring managers look very highly upon...

I'd like to think being self-employed and having the entrepreneurial spirit is something they would value in a MBA program. Otherwise I'm fucked too. Lol.
 
You want to network with successful business people? Personally, I'd spent all the time and money learning to sail. It's a wealthy person's hobby, and decent crew can always find a place on a boat. Far more fun than sitting in class too.

Also, I agree totally with the person who said about the engineering degree. Engineering helps you to be process and systems-oriented, which is a very useful skill.

MBAs are great for people who want to get on in corporate life. Not sure why you'd do one as a business owner.
 
Internet marketing is honestly too infant to teach at colleges. What is relevant today changes 6 months later. Really, the best way to understand internet marketing is to go start campaigns yourself and learn from experiences. If you dont have the bankroll, go work for an ad agencies, learn the in's and out's, then you more or less are just as qualified as everyone else. Most of my big affiliate friends are self taught, and probably the best, most experienced internet marketers the world has to offer. Fact of the matter is the affiliate space is very closely related to entrepreneurship as a whole. Its more about problem solving and drawing assumptions from trial and error than anything else.
 
The big disconnect in this conversation is that most of you don't run real businesses. If you don't have real employee's, managers and provide value to your customers - You're not running a real business.

When you're running a "real" business - That's when the MBA stuff (inventory control, cash flow, internal controls) is mandatory knowledge.
 
The big disconnect in this conversation is that most of you don't run real businesses. If you don't have real employee's, managers and provide value to your customers - You're not running a real business.

When you're running a "real" business - That's when the MBA stuff (inventory control, cash flow, internal controls) is mandatory knowledge.

Steve Jobs
Richard Branson
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerberg
John Paul DeJoria
Most CPA network owners

What do they have in common? Not mandatory. Most of the key lessons aren't taught in school. It's easier to hire those with MBA knowledge.

It helps but, due to the internet age, and open information there are way better options.
 
I had to do a couple group projects with MBA students in my engineering classes while at Stanford. They didn't really seem that impressive. They did have excellent time management skills though.

I'm thinking about applying for an MBA eventually. But if MBA admissions are anything like trying to find a job, I'm shit out of luck. Apparently being self-employed for the past 3 years is not something that hiring managers look very highly upon...

If you spin it right it can be a positive, I had the same situation.
 
Steve Jobs
Richard Branson
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerberg
John Paul DeJoria
Most CPA network owners

What do they have in common? Not mandatory. Most of the key lessons aren't taught in school. It's easier to hire those with MBA knowledge.

It helps but, due to the internet age, and open information there are way better options.

Those are very very smart men you mentioned, who were with the right idea at the right time, with the brains and the will to see them through. Please don't compare them to yourself or CPA network owners. Not saying you are not GREAT, but please...

Good MBAs have a different place in the world. You have a different place. And the Zuckerbergs and Bill Gates have a totally different place..

The Meg Whitmans, John Paulsons, Michael Bloombergs also do have their own place...

Reality is many of us here would not succeed in life. It is extremely unlikely anyone here would ever create a facebook or an eBay or a Google. At most some may end up starting a 50 Million dollar CPA company that would fold in 3 years.

But then many of us can try to get an MBA from a top 20 school, and hopefully some of those would make it as a CEO of a Billion Dollar company, or even meet with like minded people and start the next Fedex with funding from your Alumni VCs.
 
The big disconnect in this conversation is that most of you don't run real businesses. If you don't have real employee's, managers and provide value to your customers - You're not running a real business.

When you're running a "real" business - That's when the MBA stuff (inventory control, cash flow, internal controls) is mandatory knowledge.

Dunno ... I had 21 employees and I hired trained people in specialist positions to handle the processes (legal, production, finance etc). Sure, knowing what a balance sheet is helps but the decision to quit my safe corporate job back in 1999 and open an offshore software company in post-revolutionary Romania had zilch to do with my biz school education.

Someone else mentioned Richard Branson - he left school with practically nothing, is dyslexic and started his first business from a public telephone booth.
 
It's easier to hire those with MBA knowledge.

Sure you can do that, but you'll have a better grip on your business if you know what each of these hires is doing.

FYI: I don't have an MBA. But I can see the value in one. I'd rather just learn each function myself by reading books.