Anyone else sick of promoting crap and providing no value??

To those that say create an offer, read my original post. I said I was an advertiser. I've created dozens of offers and web apps/services, and had 1000s of pubs that promote them. Creating a biz opp or weight loss offer is not fulfilling in any sense of the word.

And to those assuming I promote scammy rebills, don't assume that just because you have no morals that I don't either. I have never in my life promoted something that I knew or even thought was a scam.

My "bullshit like biz opps" comment is just based on the fact that generating millions of biz opp leads is pretty meaningless, because I know that out of all of those people more people lost more money than the tiny percentage that made money. Overall, the net effect is a gain of many millions for advertisers/me and a loss for 99.9% of the people I made money off of. That's not providing real value, and it's no fun any more.

I see there are a few of ya that can relate. To the "fuck everything just make money" crowd, believe me I know the feeling, but you'll (hopefully) grow up one day. :)
 


dsiomtw said:
To those that say create an offer, read my original post. I said I was an advertiser. I've created dozens of offers and web apps/services, and had 1000s of pubs that promote them. Creating a biz opp or weight loss offer is not fulfilling in any sense of the word.

And to those assuming I promote scammy rebills, don't assume that just because you have no morals that I don't either. I have never in my life promoted something that I knew or even thought was a scam.

My "bullshit like biz opps" comment is just based on the fact that generating millions of biz opp leads is pretty meaningless, because I know that out of all of those people more people lost more money than the tiny percentage that made money. Overall, the net effect is a gain of many millions for advertisers/me and a loss for 99.9% of the people I made money off of. That's not providing real value, and it's no fun any more.

I see there are a few of ya that can relate. To the "fuck everything just make money" crowd, believe me I know the feeling, but you'll (hopefully) grow up one day. :)
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if your stuff wasn't scams and if you helped pubs make money then you've provided value for everyone.

I think you are just bored and ready for a bigger challenge. You have a ton of experience and capital. Go after something bigger. It doesnt even have to be online. Go build a soup kitchen or start a fund for some disease somebody in your family has. Go mentor some young people on starting businesses.

I bet you'll find that shit 1000x more enjoyable than making more money slanging bizopps or diet pills, especially if you already have a small fortune.

Affiliate / Internet marketing is great for getting that first bit of funding, but people in other industries think a lot of us are batting singles given our skills, and they are right.
 
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dsiomtw said:
because I know that out of all of those people more people lost more money than the tiny percentage that made money. Overall, the net effect is a gain of many millions for advertisers/me and a loss for 99.9% of the people I made money off of.
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but isn't that the reality we live in? you could give 10 people a fool-proof way to lose weight (using the weight-loss example) and 8 or 9 of them will get the product and forget about it. they will just get around to it someday. why do you think gyms and sports clubs are so profitable? i don't feel it's our jobs to decide who will take action. as long as the product isn't hurting anyone then you're just offering them an opportunity. most small businesses fail. and so, most people buying homebizop offers will fail as well. we all sell the dream, some will run with it, most won't. human nature.

regarding long term fulfillment, i'd suggest identifying 10 people you like to work with and using your expertise to help them get exactly what they are after. they might arrive at the same conclusions that you have. either way, you're building community and helping others.
 
dsiomtw said:
My "bullshit like biz opps" comment is just based on the fact that generating millions of biz opp leads is pretty meaningless, because I know that out of all of those people more people lost more money than the tiny percentage that made money. Overall, the net effect is a gain of many millions for advertisers/me and a loss for 99.9% of the people I made money off of. That's not providing real value, and it's no fun any more.

I see there are a few of ya that can relate. To the "fuck everything just make money" crowd, believe me I know the feeling, but you'll (hopefully) grow up one day. :)
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If you provide real value that consumers CAN use to make money, but don't...
there's nothing you can do about that.

it's up to the consumer to take action.

similar to wickedfire...
you can tell new affiliates every possible way to create a profitable campaign (i.e. just DO it. you HAVE to test variables).

but if they don't get up and take action, who's at fault?


if you lose sleep over the fact that people don't take it upon themselves to take action on information that they paid for, i don't see how you became an advertiser in the first place lol.
 
It is OK Brotado... I keep thinking about making something that will last a lifetime. Something I can pass on.. If nothing solid happens in the next two years, I will buy a MacD or maybe start my own fast food chain.
 
I think most people here (myself included) would like to make a "small fortune" from affiliate marketing or any other legal activity.

You have the luxury of being able to decide your future.
 
Been through pretty much the same.

*32 years old now.

*Started a webdesign/media company at age 19, loved it, then within 5 years grew to HATE it and most clients and my daily media whore routine more than I ever thought I would. Put budgets and timelines around something you love (and throw in horrible revision processes, big clients with many points of contact/decision makers), and it gets nutty.

*Was almost bought out, instead joined a media group here in Tdot for six figures, two years later (I still kinda enjoyed the job, my own schedule, no conflict with my own media company, I got cushie). By then I dumped all my savings into a huge house, bimmer in the driveway, thought I was happy... .. D day came on my day off "ring ring... Norb, we don't need you anymore" < Almost just like that.

*5 years of living off my small fortune and selling my home at the right time, bored, had money, no desire to chase clients anymore, no desire to work for anyone no matter how much $, I lost my biz by getting too comfy, and outsourcing started taking off killing my shit even more. Was in quite the rut.

*Started finally saying no to clients, started my own product line after a short fast sting as an aff. I specifically remember thinking "It fucking CAN'T be this easy? I made a quick ap/ebook/audio/video/whatever, brand it, put it through clickbank or a cpa, and bank?" < Seemed mickymouse'ish compared to doing campaigns for big tier 1's or national/intl stuff... Started making my own offers and made another small fortune, finally breaking away from clients for good, and making big $.

*Two years later, just like OP - money in the bank again, this time i'm in control of everything, offers, aff's, people banging on my door to partner w/me, but I grew to HATE the niches (bizop, forex, weight loss, I can market anything I guess, so wtf am I doing just looking for money, I haz some now).

*Again just like OP - I pressed the reset button, sold off gray inventory, got rid of sites I grew to hate (or automated them), and started some soul searching "k, it's been like 11-12 years of this shit now, I can design, publish, make offers, I haz a forum with 5K aff's, 35+ offers now, hmmm I'm happy but wtf do I want out of this now".

*Even thought about selling literally my whole slate, and starting over with something big and fantastic or taking another 5 year hiatus.

It does sound crazy to those that a) haven't hit it big at least once yet b) Can't get enough money as it makes you more happy somehow c) haven't lost it all at least once yet to realize the money is a side effect of something greater. Literally chasing money your whole life isn't what you want deep down inside even if right now day in and day out you live, eat, breathe, and shit 'make moniez'. There WILL be a time when you say 'enough, now what' or at the very least question what it's all for.

fucking TLDR!

I found my passion for music again, and launched a new product line that has finally had a few sites stick (as an advertiser), and I now spend my days making music, graphics, sound kits, and spending very little time thinking about money (because it's coming in, and the offers are converting well, and I enjoy it). It's now easy to be passionate about the next campaign/project vs. kinda hating it or questioning the value aspect, moral aspect, means to an end aspect, etc.

Sounds gay but look in your heart/soul, figure out wtf you'd love to be doing day in day out, it's oversimplifying it but in the end my goal is still happiness, and that isn't always a money thing. Do stuff you love everyday that does indeed provide value and where you're in control of it all = much easier to find both money and happiness/be passionate about your routine for 12 more years.

N.
 
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but isn't that the reality we live in? you could give 10 people a fool-proof way to lose weight (using the weight-loss example) and 8 or 9 of them will get the product and forget about it. they will just get around to it someday. why do you think gyms and sports clubs are so profitable? i don't feel it's our jobs to decide who will take action. as long as the product isn't hurting anyone then you're just offering them an opportunity. most small businesses fail. and so, most people buying homebizop offers will fail as well. we all sell the dream, some will run with it, most won't. human nature.
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AffEcks said:
If you provide real value that consumers CAN use to make money, but don't...
there's nothing you can do about that.

it's up to the consumer to take action.

similar to wickedfire...
you can tell new affiliates every possible way to create a profitable campaign (i.e. just DO it. you HAVE to test variables).

but if they don't get up and take action, who's at fault?


if you lose sleep over the fact that people don't take it upon themselves to take action on information that they paid for, i don't see how you became an advertiser in the first place lol.
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You guys are 100% right, but it doesn't change the fact that I'm not really doing anything to make the world a better place. It might sound gay and all, but at some point there are other things more important than money.

Once they made a decent amount of money I can't imagine too many people feeling "fulfilled" at the end of the day - or at the end of their life - if all they ever did was sling biz opps or weight loss offers.

conv3rsion said:
I think you are just bored and ready for a bigger challenge. You have a ton of experience and capital. Go after something bigger. It doesnt even have to be online. Go build a soup kitchen or start a fund for some disease somebody in your family has. Go mentor some young people on starting businesses.

I bet you'll find that shit 1000x more enjoyable than making more money slanging bizopps or diet pills, especially if you already have a small fortune.

Affiliate / Internet marketing is great for getting that first bit of funding, but people in other industries think a lot of us are batting singles given our skills, and they are right.
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You're partially right ... boredom is definitely a factor. But really I'm only bored because what I've been doing is so meaningless (at least in my eyes). I'm definitely going to be focusing on building a "real" business that has nothing to do with anything I've done in the past.

As far as Internet marketing = batting singles, I dunno ... it's all relative I guess and depends on what a person wants to do. Is a million dollars a year in profits a single? What exactly is a single? Compared to building the next Facebook or Exxon Mobile I guess it is ...

I have no interest in making a billion dollars, building a "big" business, or anything remotely close. I'd rather make what I make working 10-20 hours a week and have the freedom to do other things that I enjoy. I still make more than 99% of the population, and that's more than enough for me.

Now I just need to come up with something I actually enjoy that can still make some good money. I've thought long and hard and unfortunately my passions, hobbies and interests don't seem to lend themselves to great money making businesses. At least I haven't figured it out yet...
 
I think affiliate marketing is a great real world chance to learn marketing. You can grab an offer, buy media and start making money without much else. It's like a real world education that you can make money at during the process.

"Value" and "no value" are very nebulous terms that are opinions of each person on this forum.

I've probably done a lot of things similar to you. And I think the goal would be find something you want to build that's fun for you and you feel gives back. That's something different for everyone. I think someone could argue that building ID protection offers/sites could be making the world a better place. Where someone else could say it's obviously a scam. I find people all the time that use words like "scam" and "fraud" for anything they personally don't agree with or like.

I think you need to clarify in your own life what is fulfilling. There's a long way between selling bizopp's and donating all your time and money to charity. At the same time I've found bizopp's that did actually help a lot of people. And I've found charities that scammed the hell out of people with fees and giving very little to the cause. Where do you find the giving back in the middle of that specturm?

Find the answer to that and I think it'll help you with your soul searching.

I personally like to build cool shit. We're building a couple products now with the end game to improve the world and sell the brand to a large fortune 100 corporation. What I see as improving the world and what you see as improving the world may be very different things though.

Decide what you feel will improve the world, then figure out how to wrap it in the package of an unbelievable offer that people will cure a pain. Then build it ( that's the fun part for me ).
 
My thoughts:

Affiliate marketing is where smart people can come to make their first quick buck before moving on to bigger things like making their own offers or funding a dream.

I'm making the money doing this since I can't get a job that pays as much as I'm making, I actually set a number that I will stop at before I choose to "reset" my life.

My raison d'etre is racing. When I hit my magic number I'm going to start buying rental rental properties, get a property manager, and spend my days living off of the leveraged cashflowing investments while I pursue my actual passions and spend my days learning and loving all that I can about existence.

So, am I sick of doing what someone more altruistic considers worthless? No, because I just feel like a high paid employee who's preparing for a really long weekend.
 
As many people have said, there are hundreds of ways to make money on the internet. I personally do not promote products/services that I would avoid. Heck, my main source of income for 2010 was promoting gamefly and netflix, two services I truly enjoy.
 
hey addison, surely your not referring to the people who buy your services, lol - btw; anymore blog posts avail? If so im interested... lol - as for op, sent u a pm
 
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