anyone having weird conversion rates with grants
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The advertiser is shaving for sure in my opinion, and for me it's been way more than 30%.
I was getting conversion rates from 25-50% on days, and yesterday I got 2%. That's fucked up right there.
It's interesting to see after you go from no shave, to shave how much offers are really being shaved.
People are being out right fucking GREEDY. It's profitable for all 3 parties without shaving, but with shaving it's only profitable for 1. It's not like it's 10% either, It's like the difference from maybe 100-200% ROI to -50% ROI. The idiots do it so drastically too.
I'm with ricdes on this one, fuck em. I'm boycotting their shitty offers. I for sure know it's shaving.
I've tried running their bizopp too, which has serious drastic changes. /me screams.
I was getting conversion rates from 25-50% on days, and yesterday I got 2%. That's fucked up right there.
It's interesting to see after you go from no shave, to shave how much offers are really being shaved.
People are being out right fucking GREEDY. It's profitable for all 3 parties without shaving, but with shaving it's only profitable for 1. It's not like it's 10% either, It's like the difference from maybe 100-200% ROI to -50% ROI. The idiots do it so drastically too.
I'm with ricdes on this one, fuck em. I'm boycotting their shitty offers. I for sure know it's shaving.
I've tried running their bizopp too, which has serious drastic changes. /me screams.
You fuck me once, you wont fuck me twice. I wont ever again run any wuyi shit.
@AdValiantJivan
You just admitted that advaliant and those guys are having problems. But still, your interface says... " A+ offers from an A+ advertiser!". Apparently they arent a+ at all since they dont know how to setup some proper tracking or to shave without anyone noticing it.
Guys,
There is definitely an issue here and it is related specifically to this one campaign. As far as we can tell there is a tech issue in the registration process on this campaign and our affiliate managers are getting their affiliates to stop promoting this campaign until the issue is fixed.
Ricdes, it's not a "proper tracking" issue, it's an issue with the campaign where there is some tech issue in the registration process. Again, the rest of the campaigns from this advertiser are solid and have been for well over a year so if shaving was occurring we'd pick it up immediately.
Challenges with campaigns occur and when they do they are always taken seriously by us. Real Arcade has had tech issues in the past but they are still an A+ advertiser as we feel this advertiser is.
The advertiser in question here is taking this issue seriously and we are working with him to find out what the problem. If the advertiser said there were no issues and that was that then I would not dispute your assumption that this was not an A+ advertiser. This guy has been around for years and this is the first time an issue on a specific campaign has been raised to this level.
We've never had a reputation on shaving because we don't allow our advertiser's to do that, period or we never work with them again. We'll get to the bottom of this and if the advertiser is at fault I'll push hard for compensation for our affiliates as we have always done.
There is definitely an issue here and it is related specifically to this one campaign. As far as we can tell there is a tech issue in the registration process on this campaign and our affiliate managers are getting their affiliates to stop promoting this campaign until the issue is fixed.
Ricdes, it's not a "proper tracking" issue, it's an issue with the campaign where there is some tech issue in the registration process. Again, the rest of the campaigns from this advertiser are solid and have been for well over a year so if shaving was occurring we'd pick it up immediately.
Challenges with campaigns occur and when they do they are always taken seriously by us. Real Arcade has had tech issues in the past but they are still an A+ advertiser as we feel this advertiser is.
The advertiser in question here is taking this issue seriously and we are working with him to find out what the problem. If the advertiser said there were no issues and that was that then I would not dispute your assumption that this was not an A+ advertiser. This guy has been around for years and this is the first time an issue on a specific campaign has been raised to this level.
We've never had a reputation on shaving because we don't allow our advertiser's to do that, period or we never work with them again. We'll get to the bottom of this and if the advertiser is at fault I'll push hard for compensation for our affiliates as we have always done.
Jivan I just want to add that I've been having big problems with the Earn Fast Cash with Google (also from JustThink) as well. I'm not the only one having these issues, I assure you.
Conversion rates for this have also been "volatile" and been ranging from 2-40%. So there is something wrong here for sure. I'm getting major fluctuations and I honestly do believe it to be shaving on the advertisers end.
Their shit usually does covert extremely well, but when they wana shave... they shave.
Sohan,
Logic is if there was shaving it would not be so obvious. I don't believe it to be shaving because it is pretty easy for our technology to pick that up. We have integrations that all advertisers have to implement that allow us to pick up on this. No not all tech is perfect but we're pretty confidant that we can detect it quickly. if the fluctuations are that wide spread, 2-40% as you indicate, then that is a strong indication of a tech or site issue, not a shaving concern. Shaving is much more subtle, trust me, we've seen some pretty crazy things some advertiser's have tried to pull in the past.
We are in the process of looking into this and take these complaints very seriously. We have a strong reputation in the industry and will never let anyone hurt that. As stated I will get to the bottom of this shortly and will pass on all information discovered to everyone on this thread.
Logic is if there was shaving it would not be so obvious. I don't believe it to be shaving because it is pretty easy for our technology to pick that up. We have integrations that all advertisers have to implement that allow us to pick up on this. No not all tech is perfect but we're pretty confidant that we can detect it quickly. if the fluctuations are that wide spread, 2-40% as you indicate, then that is a strong indication of a tech or site issue, not a shaving concern. Shaving is much more subtle, trust me, we've seen some pretty crazy things some advertiser's have tried to pull in the past.
We are in the process of looking into this and take these complaints very seriously. We have a strong reputation in the industry and will never let anyone hurt that. As stated I will get to the bottom of this shortly and will pass on all information discovered to everyone on this thread.
I don't doubt your reputation at all. I would have assumed shaving was subtle too. Also if the shaving technology is this superior how come the 'tech' issue hasn't been picked up? I would have assumed that held more weight than shaving, because if the offer isn't tracking or collecting leads at all, the shaving part is useless.
Also people don't always follow "logic". Also if they are a long-time advertiser they would know what's in place and how to beat it. I know if I worked with something for a long period, I'd learn how it all works.
Glad I'm not the only one noticing these things.
Hope it gets resolved, bank is nice on days when conversions are 10%+
Hope it gets resolved, bank is nice on days when conversions are 10%+
Just out of curiosity how exactly do you track if their shaving with your technology? I'm not trying to pick fights but I am very interested in this.
This thread alone has probably stopped a lot of pubs pushing with them, or dented their reputation big time. This forum hold a lot of weight.
which offer are you referring to? sorry i'm terrible with connecting offer providers with other niche offers
All of the offers from the wu-yi guy converts like crazy, but not consistent.
Maybe because of the long ass LP and the virtual salesmen?
Not trying to be off topic, but how would i know if you just technically miscount leads.. and even if it tracking issues, I already lost money... no refund?
Maybe because of the long ass LP and the virtual salesmen?
Not trying to be off topic, but how would i know if you just technically miscount leads.. and even if it tracking issues, I already lost money... no refund?
When we've ran it, our numbers we're like a rollercoaster. theres something going on here Ffs. Smells like a barber shop if you ask me ....
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