Anyone thinking of committing crimes to make money?

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You don't need a tutorial for that. Just carry an 8-ball around in your front pocket. They can smell it a mile away.

My iphone and the roll of quarters I carry to make my wiener look bigger take up all the room in my pockets, besides I'm white I wouldn't even know where to buy an 8 ball.
 
Well, my life philosophy includes counter-economics as a political tool, which is technically "criminal." We are all criminals to some degree. I believe in doing illegal ( consensual adult stuff) stuff that is not an actual crime in any logical sense of the term. There are no victims, only willing particpants. And no one gets robbed. Unless you consider The State an individual with "rights" and some natural claim to a % of my life. I do not.

I would not initiate force or commit a crime against another individual or his property for monetary gain.

Some people participate in illegal activity that I personally would not do, but I don't hold it against them. For example, drug trafficking. Most drug dealers are probably more "moral" than all government employees ( state agents of looting), for example.
 
I've read about the perfect bank heist in a novel once, but I think it'd really only work in a country like Australia, where there can often be a couple hundred km between towns and it's not too hard to leave things where people just aren't going to notice them for a whole week.
It's supposedly based on real events from the 70s.

You basically need two partners to make it work.
It goes as follows:


  • Get high powered sports bikes. Something like a Kwasaki ZX-7 nowadays. You also need a transit van.
  • Get some caltrops. You can make them by welding short screws/nails together at the heads. You'll want plenty.
  • Good back packs and power screw drivers are also a must.
  • Find a small town with only one police station, and make sure that it's at least 100km from another town with a police station of size.
  • Find a decent location about 50km from town where you can stash the bikes.
  • Late one night, steal some motorbike and a van plates. If this town is near a state border, go interstate to steal them. Keep original plates with you in the front pockets of the backpacks.
  • Two of you go to the bank, one goes to the local police station.
  • Call the guy at the police station to say you're going in. One stays in the van, one goes in to shoot the security guard and video cameras before demanding the money is placed in the backpacks. At the same time, the guy at the police station will have laid down the caltrops in their drive way, and gotten the fuck out of there on his bike. His job is over until you meet up somewhere.
  • Police come charging out. First car hits a caltrop, punctures tires, has a few other cars pile into it, reducing viable police cars, creating confusion, and generally delaying cops a few vital minutes.
  • Assuming even one backpack is full, get into the van and drive to where the bikes are. If you're being followed by police again, punch out a back window, and drop a shitload more caltrops.
  • Provided you've managed to get rid of the cops, you go to where the bikes are stashed. Change the plate on the van. Ride the bikes across the fields until you find another road, and take that to a town.
  • Stay overnight, change the plates on the bikes.
  • Ride to wherever and meet guy #3
 
I've read about the perfect bank heist in a novel once, but I think it'd really only work in a country like Australia, where there can often be a couple hundred km between towns and it's not too hard to leave things where people just aren't going to notice them for a whole week.
It's supposedly based on real events from the 70s.

You basically need two partners to make it work.
It goes as follows:


  • Get high powered sports bikes. Something like a Kwasaki ZX-7 nowadays. You also need a transit van.
  • Get some caltrops. You can make them by welding short screws/nails together at the heads. You'll want plenty.
  • Good back packs and power screw drivers are also a must.
  • Find a small town with only one police station, and make sure that it's at least 100km from another town with a police station of size.
  • Find a decent location about 50km from town where you can stash the bikes.
  • Late one night, steal some motorbike and a van plates. If this town is near a state border, go interstate to steal them. Keep original plates with you in the front pockets of the backpacks.
  • Two of you go to the bank, one goes to the local police station.
  • Call the guy at the police station to say you're going in. One stays in the van, one goes in to shoot the security guard and video cameras before demanding the money is placed in the backpacks. At the same time, the guy at the police station will have laid down the caltrops in their drive way, and gotten the fuck out of there on his bike. His job is over until you meet up somewhere.
  • Police come charging out. First car hits a caltrop, punctures tires, has a few other cars pile into it, reducing viable police cars, creating confusion, and generally delaying cops a few vital minutes.
  • Assuming even one backpack is full, get into the van and drive to where the bikes are. If you're being followed by police again, punch out a back window, and drop a shitload more caltrops.
  • Provided you've managed to get rid of the cops, you go to where the bikes are stashed. Change the plate on the van. Ride the bikes across the fields until you find another road, and take that to a town.
  • Stay overnight, change the plates on the bikes.
  • Ride to wherever and meet guy #3

That all sounds very complicated. I remember going to uni in a city of 3000 people. There were all of 2 cops in the city. All you had to do to was locate both of cops and then spike strip them at the time of the robbery. With four banks in the town, all four could be hit simulatenously and then the escape could be out of multiple directions. There were 2 highways in and out of the town, but there were also dozens of gravel roads. You could wind yourself all the way to the border without seeing another person. I mapped this out in uni but never implemented it.
 
I've read about the perfect bank heist in a novel once, but I think it'd really only work in a country like Australia, where there can often be a couple hundred km between towns and it's not too hard to leave things where people just aren't going to notice them for a whole week.
It's supposedly based on real events from the 70s.

You basically need two partners to make it work.
It goes as follows:


  • Get high powered sports bikes. Something like a Kwasaki ZX-7 nowadays. You also need a transit van.
  • Get some caltrops. You can make them by welding short screws/nails together at the heads. You'll want plenty.
  • Good back packs and power screw drivers are also a must.
  • Find a small town with only one police station, and make sure that it's at least 100km from another town with a police station of size.
  • Find a decent location about 50km from town where you can stash the bikes.
  • Late one night, steal some motorbike and a van plates. If this town is near a state border, go interstate to steal them. Keep original plates with you in the front pockets of the backpacks.
  • Two of you go to the bank, one goes to the local police station.
  • Call the guy at the police station to say you're going in. One stays in the van, one goes in to shoot the security guard and video cameras before demanding the money is placed in the backpacks. At the same time, the guy at the police station will have laid down the caltrops in their drive way, and gotten the fuck out of there on his bike. His job is over until you meet up somewhere.
  • Police come charging out. First car hits a caltrop, punctures tires, has a few other cars pile into it, reducing viable police cars, creating confusion, and generally delaying cops a few vital minutes.
  • Assuming even one backpack is full, get into the van and drive to where the bikes are. If you're being followed by police again, punch out a back window, and drop a shitload more caltrops.
  • Provided you've managed to get rid of the cops, you go to where the bikes are stashed. Change the plate on the van. Ride the bikes across the fields until you find another road, and take that to a town.
  • Stay overnight, change the plates on the bikes.
  • Ride to wherever and meet guy #3

never commit a crime with another person unless you intend on killing them
 
My iphone and the roll of quarters I carry to make my wiener look bigger take up all the room in my pockets, besides I'm white I wouldn't even know where to buy an 8 ball.

Only a roll of quarters? I use a half-dollar roll (chicks dig girth) and a pair of tube socks. Go big or go home (alone).
 
I've read about the perfect bank heist in a novel once, but I think it'd really only work in a country like Australia, where there can often be a couple hundred km between towns and it's not too hard to leave things where people just aren't going to notice them for a whole week.
It's supposedly based on real events from the 70s.

You basically need two partners to make it work.
It goes as follows:


  • Get high powered sports bikes. Something like a Kwasaki ZX-7 nowadays. You also need a transit van.
  • Get some caltrops. You can make them by welding short screws/nails together at the heads. You'll want plenty.
  • Good back packs and power screw drivers are also a must.
  • Find a small town with only one police station, and make sure that it's at least 100km from another town with a police station of size.
  • Find a decent location about 50km from town where you can stash the bikes.
  • Late one night, steal some motorbike and a van plates. If this town is near a state border, go interstate to steal them. Keep original plates with you in the front pockets of the backpacks.
  • Two of you go to the bank, one goes to the local police station.
  • Call the guy at the police station to say you're going in. One stays in the van, one goes in to shoot the security guard and video cameras before demanding the money is placed in the backpacks. At the same time, the guy at the police station will have laid down the caltrops in their drive way, and gotten the fuck out of there on his bike. His job is over until you meet up somewhere.
  • Police come charging out. First car hits a caltrop, punctures tires, has a few other cars pile into it, reducing viable police cars, creating confusion, and generally delaying cops a few vital minutes.
  • Assuming even one backpack is full, get into the van and drive to where the bikes are. If you're being followed by police again, punch out a back window, and drop a shitload more caltrops.
  • Provided you've managed to get rid of the cops, you go to where the bikes are stashed. Change the plate on the van. Ride the bikes across the fields until you find another road, and take that to a town.
  • Stay overnight, change the plates on the bikes.
  • Ride to wherever and meet guy #3

You left out the part about switching the backpacks with hooker flyers from those guys on the Strip and faking your death so you can get away with all the loot.
 
It'd be better to fake your death at least ~2 weeks or so beforehand. You'd also need to make sure you had no pre-existing ties to the town.

Also, you'd have to take into consideration capping your accomplices after it's all said and done. Because you can damn sure bet they're taking into consideration capping you.

Otherwise, a solid plan that, with a little attention to detail could work.

A bank a couple of miles up the road from me was robbed TWICE within a few days BY THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE recently. They're still at large. Un-fucking-believable.
 
Robbery etc. is for idiots. Smart criminal money is made either in selling illicit contraband (drugs/counterfeit goods/non-export tobacco), or fraud using botnets. Either of which are probably pretty easy to get away with if you're careful and not too greedy.

But... I value peace of mind, and not getting that nasty feeling in the pit of your stomach every time you see a police car far too much to consider either.

From what I can see, the majority of crimes are committed by people who are either of very limited intelligence, drunk, or so desperate for heroin/crack that they just don't care any more.

That said, I've always admired the artistry of a well-architected scam. I remember the one and only time I was taken in by a scam artist - for about £20 at the time. I was so impressed with the way he'd done it, I figured he'd earned the money and didn't resent him for it.
 
All the time spent thinking up criminal activities could be spent doing something productive to earn cash.


Some of these criminals I've heard about are extremely intelligent, yet they spend it on wasting their lives. Had they of spent it on something productive, they'd be multi millionaires.

Those who have said that time is a very valuable asset are 100% correct, I know for me , time is the one thing I wish I had much more of.
 
well, i think some people are forgetting that some of these guys don't do it for the money... they do it for the thrill. Monies just a bonus. Only a few things in life can match that adrenaline pumping feeling when running for your life, skydiving, having sex with that 1 legged hooker.... whhhaaaaaaat.
 
That said, I've always admired the artistry of a well-architected scam. I remember the one and only time I was taken in by a scam artist - for about £20 at the time. I was so impressed with the way he'd done it, I figured he'd earned the money and didn't resent him for it.
What was the scam? lol you didn't resent him!
 
No way. Smart criminals are in fraud and protection/extortion rackets.

Pimps also make good money and risk very little.

If someone started a nice little escort service where they took care of their girls, protected them and treated them with respect, they'd make a fair amount of coin. (ahem: in an entirely legal way, of course, right?)

Robbery etc. is for idiots. Smart criminal money is made either in selling illicit contraband (drugs/counterfeit goods/non-export tobacco), or fraud using botnets. Either of which are probably pretty easy to get away with if you're careful and not too greedy.

But... I value peace of mind, and not getting that nasty feeling in the pit of your stomach every time you see a police car far too much to consider either.

From what I can see, the majority of crimes are committed by people who are either of very limited intelligence, drunk, or so desperate for heroin/crack that they just don't care any more.

That said, I've always admired the artistry of a well-architected scam. I remember the one and only time I was taken in by a scam artist - for about £20 at the time. I was so impressed with the way he'd done it, I figured he'd earned the money and didn't resent him for it.
 
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