AR-15 Owners.... THIS IS AWESOME

DanWesson said:
If I was a car dealer, and some guy came in wanting a Camaro with a rear spoiler, racing tires, and a super-charger even though it's all completely legal, it would raise an eyebrow for me.

I would think the guy was planning to run somebody over while speeding.

Not surprising from the guy who thinks innocent people need to be monitored by the government. What's sad is a disturbingly large number of misinformed Americans use the same silly logic you do.
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straw man arguement, can't argue with the point I made, so you destroy a completely different and unrelated argument and somehow link it together with the eyebrow raising comment.
 


I don't know why anyone would want that. It seems kind of stupid to me. The way I see it the Army gave me a M16 with 3 round burst if full auto was so sweet and not a complete waste of ammunition why wouldn't they give me full auto. Why does Joe blow the hillbilly need full auto on an M16. I don't know if you want them cool I guess, but someone convince me why it's worth 300 dollars. Also for complete disclosure I don't own an AR15 I do have a few shot guns and some off caliber hand guns. I just don't envision any reason that I would need an AR let alone a full auto AR. Maybe zombies, but are you that afraid of zombies?
 
TigerUK said:
straw man arguement, can't argue with the point I made, so you destroy a completely different and unrelated argument and somehow link it together with the eyebrow raising comment.
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There was no point made. You established an emotionally biased opinion. This type of bias is silly to me hence the contrived car example.
I could instead point out, that so-called "assault weapons" are quite rare in criminal usage.
From Assault Rifle Legislation: Unwise and Unconstitutional (emphasis mine):
In Los Angeles, of the 4,000 or more guns seized by police during 1988, only three percent would fall under even an expansive definition of "assault weapon."[47] Only 2.2% of the firearms confiscated in San Francisco in 1988 were military-style semiautomatics.[48] Assault weapons comprised one percent of the 4,800 firearms seized by the San Diego police during 1988, and were involved in only eight of the cities 144 homicides.[49] Police in Akron, Ohio seize about 400 weapons a year, and only two percent of these could arguably be classified as assault weapons.[50] In New York City and Washington, D.C., two areas of the country with notorious crime and drug problems, empirical evidence comports with the evidence available from other cities. New York City police statistics reveal that of the 16,370 guns seized in New York in 1988, only 1,028 of them were rifles of any type, and no doubt even fewer would fall under S. 747's definition of "assault weapon."[51] Of the 3,000 or more weapons that the Washington, DC police confiscated in 1988, not one was an assault rifle.[52] [Page 152]
National statistics accord with the low number of assault rifles confiscated in large cities. Four percent of all homicides in the United States involve rifles of any type, and less than half of one percent of those rifles could be considered military look-alike semiautomatic rifles.[53] In fact, according to 1987 FBI Uniform Crime Reports,Americans are far more likely to be killed by a knife or a blunt object instead of by a rifle of any type.[54] While they may appear menacing, both local and national crime statistics do not indicate that the so-called "assault rifles" are a serious crime or drug problem.
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I could also point out that a rifle as you describe is functionally no different from your average hunting rifle. People are scared and "raise eyebrows" over looks.
This article written by John Lott (Google his name) is from 2005, and since then the number of military-style rifles sold in the US has likely quadrupled. Obama's election was probably one of the single biggest booms for the gun industry, particularly military-style rifles and high-cap handguns. Violent and property crime rates have continued to decline.

From the article:
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Research funded by the Justice Department under the Clinton administration concluded only that the effect of the assault weapons ban on gun violence "has been uncertain." The authors of that report released their updated findings last August, looking at crime data from 1982 through 2000 (which covered the first six years of the federal law). The latest version stated: "We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence."[/FONT]
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There are many ways a person can be killed, and making new laws that ban a certain number of cosmetic features or certain specific models of a firearm is counterproductive.
Overall violent crime rates have gone down even as estimated numbers of guns owned has gone up.
 
assault weapons are rare in criminal usage because they're big, and when you're going out to slaughter the guy who screwed your wife or perform a home invasion a pistol will suffice.

An assault rifle [when used for criminal activities] will most likely be deployed by paramilitaries, vigilantes, religious fanatics and other fanatics who go into school and mow down everybody [like that korean kid].

America has tonnes of military vets, such as the oklahoma bomber and others who if handed with a fully automatic assault rifle will be a real big threat, i could not google info but there was an ex marine gang member featured in gangland that got hold of an automatic ak47 and took out 3 cops as they tried to stop him from commiting armed robbery. The cops only had shotguns and handguns, the ex marine gang member was well armed and was well versed with military assault tactics that the cops has no answer for.

Anyways, I'm not even American, I don't care about guns, because we're not allowed to have guns. I'm not making an emotive statement all I'm saying is that I can understand if the government wants to make it harder for Americans to get gold of automatic rifles.

I can also understand the state law which says you can't have a pistol grip, holster and bayonet all at once, but you can have two of the three.

Realistically speaking though what purpose would someone want with a fucking bayonet? the bayoney is only useful for close quarter combat, when you're involved in urban warefare, even then it's retarded, because it just adds length to the gun and would stick out and give away your positon when you're walking from room to room.

For a recreational user it's completely retarded to have a bayonet. Why would you have it, it messes with the accuracy cos it disturbs the vibrations of the barrel and makes the shot uneven. I don't ge tit, even if you were using it to for hunting, using the bayonet to stab a wounded animal to death is silly, why mess up your rifle by using it to stab with, best thing you can do is just use an ordinary knife and stand up by holding the handle and making a nice clean stab into the heart.
 
Also most civilans don't even know how to use a bayonet.. there's a guy on youtube reviewing bayonets, the bayonet doesn't even fit his AR15, there's a guy who was in combat schooling him about the bayonet and he flips out and mocks the guy who was in combat.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGHQ4lyte_g]M7 Ontario bayonet knive for ar 15. - YouTube[/ame]

skip to 5:42 the bayonet looks ridiculous, it's like a small japs weiner sticking out the end of the barrel LOL
 
TigerUK said:
assault weapons are rare in criminal usage because they're big, and when you're going out to slaughter the guy who screwed your wife or perform a home invasion a pistol will suffice.

An assault rifle [when used for criminal activities] will most likely be deployed by paramilitaries, vigilantes, religious fanatics and other fanatics who go into school and mow down everybody [like that korean kid].

America has tonnes of military vets, such as the oklahoma bomber and others who if handed with a fully automatic assault rifle will be a real big threat, i could not google info but there was an ex marine gang member featured in gangland that got hold of an automatic ak47 and took out 3 cops as they tried to stop him from commiting armed robbery. The cops only had shotguns and handguns, the ex marine gang member was well armed and was well versed with military assault tactics that the cops has no answer for.

Anyways, I'm not even American, I don't care about guns, because we're not allowed to have guns. I'm not making an emotive statement all I'm saying is that I can understand if the government wants to make it harder for Americans to get gold of automatic rifles.

I can also understand the state law which says you can't have a pistol grip, holster and bayonet all at once, but you can have two of the three.

Realistically speaking though what purpose would someone want with a fucking bayonet? the bayoney is only useful for close quarter combat, when you're involved in urban warefare, even then it's retarded, because it just adds length to the gun and would stick out and give away your positon when you're walking from room to room.

For a recreational user it's completely retarded to have a bayonet. Why would you have it, it messes with the accuracy cos it disturbs the vibrations of the barrel and makes the shot uneven. I don't ge tit, even if you were using it to for hunting, using the bayonet to stab a wounded animal to death is silly, why mess up your rifle by using it to stab with, best thing you can do is just use an ordinary knife and stand up by holding the handle and making a nice clean stab into the heart.
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First off, the bayonet is not illegal because it's a bayonet or because it's a knife attached to a firearm. It's illegal because they wanted to outlaw a specific set of weapons that happened to have that feature. If you look at how the assault weapons ban was designed, it is obvious they were trying to prohibit specific weapons without directly prohibiting them by name.

The exact same is true on importation laws now in effect. Certain guns can be imported if they don't have certain features, but you can convert them once they are here and it's a-ok. Makes no sense really, but it's because they are trying to be sneaky and underhanded about it.

TigerUK said:
no it's the law that's dumb, it's not the pring that's illegal it's the fact that they don't want automatic rifles on the streets, and if a bump firing hack allows you to circumvent that they will change the law to make your stock illegal.
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I agree that the law is dumb, but it IS in place and you are a DUMBASS if you, as a US citizen, violate federal law and then post it on youtube. I am not saying they will never be able to make the stock illegal, but it's practically impossible to outlaw using the mechanical advantage of a human's body to fire a gun without raising some serious eyebrows.
 
TigerUK said:
why the fuck would you want a bayonet for your AR15.. if i was a gun seller and sometome came in wanting to buy an AR15 with a pistol grip, bayoney and shoulder strap, evev nif it was completely legal, it would raise an eyebrow for me.

I would think the guy was planning some vigilante shit,
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Thousands of people walk in and do that every day. That's what an AR-15 is. Be afraid.

You probably should stay away from the US, it's extremely dangerous with all the gun nuts toting around military weapons! :crying:

I for one, would rather live my life here with a gun on my hip, than live somewhere else where I'm left defenseless from any individual that may wish to harm me.

FWIW, if I am going to be killed by thugs, I'd much rather be SHOT than bludgeoned to death with a hammer.
 
TigerUK said:
Also most civilans don't even know how to use a bayonet.. there's a guy on youtube reviewing bayonets, the bayonet doesn't even fit his AR15, there's a guy who was in combat schooling him about the bayonet and he flips out and mocks the guy who was in combat.

M7 Ontario bayonet knive for ar 15. - YouTube

skip to 5:42 the bayonet looks ridiculous, it's like a small japs weiner sticking out the end of the barrel LOL
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Yeah this guy is an idiot LOL. That bayo is not designed for an m4 profile barrel. :hollering:
 
slickcooldude said:
that's how they set it up, i couldn't tell you why they did it. but i definitely remember the guy replacing a spring when installing it.
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Probably lost the spring and charged you for it lol.

Out of the many thousand customers we've had, not a single one that I am aware of has had to replace the spring unless they out right lost it.
 
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