Arbitrage Conspiracy ??

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After reading all the negative flaming posts throughout the forums on Aymen and the Arbitrage Conspiracy and how it is a rip off, scam, re-packaging of old theories and ideas etc etc I thought someone should actually stand up and comment on it - but from the facts and not speculation.

I purchased the 13 week course and am now just coming to the end of Week 2 and as far as I am concerned it has over delivered in so many ways.

I am totally new to Internet marketing ( a noob as so many of you would say :ugone2far:) and like anyone new to an industry I researched it thoroughly before diving in. Yes I am sure everything I will be taught over the next 13 weeks can be found on the internet somewhere and I could save the money I have "invested" in this program but the support and method of teaching I have so far experienced has been fantastic.

In a month I have gone from someone who did'nt know anything about PPC and CPA to someone who has:

  • Become an Affiliate with 12 CPA Networks.
  • Opened accounts with Adwords, AdCenter and Yahoo SM
  • Built a Website - learning HTML
  • Registered Domain names - for landing pages etc
  • Picked and Evaluated Offers on the CPA Networks
  • Cranked and tested 14 Campaigns - 3 of which are already making money, 4 breaking even and 7 have been dropped.
  • How to write good targetted Ad Copy
  • How to mine relevent Keywords and keyword themes - deep mining and lateral mining.
  • How to optimize campaigns - what stats to read and how to read them - CTR, CPC, Backend Conversion % and EPC.
And the majority of this has been taught in the 1st 2 weeks. This week I have made just under $500 in net profit - from a standing start and absolutely no knowledge in the industry - so by the end of this 13 week course I have no doubt that I will have more than paid my investment back.

Yes - I am sure I could have spent years researching everything on the internet and lost $$$$$ through trial and error and learning by my mistakes but what is the point if someone is willling to teach you - step by step how to do it properly and build a solid business.

All I can say is that the quality of information has been superb so far, the quality of the training has been great and the support with Q&A sessions and Webinars with Aymen and Emmanuel can not be faulted.

Flame away !!!;)

Rich
 


Congratulation on wasting 3000$ which could have been better spent on ppc campaigns and reading WF for free..
 
I don't know how much it cost but after researching for about a month going from bum marketing to PPC I learned how to do most of those things for free. Everything but building a landing page, haven't started any campaigns yet. I've pirated dreamweaver and photoshop already. Learning how to build sites from scratch is next on the list.

I don't have the post address handy but somebody was nice enough to post here how to write ad copy targeting the four customer personalities too.

PHP and building sites will be the most challenging for me.

The only kind of service related to PPC that there's any chance of me buying is PPC_coach, I haven't heard a anything negative about it anywhere and that the tools they have alone are worth the subscription.

I'm just stuck on the thought that I'd rather be self taught through trial and error with anything.
 
Gray Fox said:
I don't know how much it cost but after researching for about a month going from bum marketing to PPC I learned how to do most of those things for free. Everything but building a landing page, haven't started any campaigns yet. I've pirated dreamweaver and photoshop already. Learning how to build sites from scratch is next on the list.

I don't have the post address handy but somebody was nice enough to post here how to write ad copy targeting the four customer personalities too.

PHP and building sites will be the most challenging for me.

The only kind of service related to PPC that there's any chance of me buying is PPC_coach, I haven't heard a anything negative about it anywhere and that the tools they have alone are worth the subscription.

I'm just stuck on the thought that I'd rather be self taught through trial and error with anything.
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I agree but there are certain techniques that I have been taught already that I know are not being taught anywhere else - as I've searched forums for more information to try and get ahead of the game but the only guys who seem to be using it and teaching these certain tachniques are the arbitrage guys.

And I am not knocking anything that is positive for learning - WF has given me lots of new ides to look at and work with - the writting targetted ad copy was a perfect example of expanding what I am already learning but as you will know - you need to know all the basics and be using them effectively before you go into demographic targetting and the "mindset" of you prospect to optimise the effectiveness of your ads and improve your CTR by 0.5%.

As with all things and probably more than alot of market - Internet Marketing is guilty of information overload - especially when you a starting out - I have got to admit that PPC Coach does have alot of appeal and once I know the basics and have completed the Arbitrage Course - I will look to get on that as a resource.

Good luck in you career though Gray Fox.

Rich
 
richard - are you talking about there "crank" this is there step were they tell you to crank out offer after offer and don't stop until you find something that works. Hmmm, that was better known as throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks method of marketing. don't think this works anymore, at least not for me!
 
richardmawer said:
After reading all the negative flaming posts throughout the forums on Aymen and the Arbitrage Conspiracy and how it is a rip off, scam, re-packaging of old theories and ideas etc etc I thought someone should actually stand up and comment on it - but from the facts and not speculation.

I purchased the 13 week course and am now just coming to the end of Week 2 and as far as I am concerned it has over delivered in so many ways.

I am totally new to Internet marketing ( a noob as so many of you would say :ugone2far:) and like anyone new to an industry I researched it thoroughly before diving in. Yes I am sure everything I will be taught over the next 13 weeks can be found on the internet somewhere and I could save the money I have "invested" in this program but the support and method of teaching I have so far experienced has been fantastic.

In a month I have gone from someone who did'nt know anything about PPC and CPA to someone who has:

  • Become an Affiliate with 12 CPA Networks.
  • Opened accounts with Adwords, AdCenter and Yahoo SM
  • Built a Website - learning HTML
  • Registered Domain names - for landing pages etc
  • Picked and Evaluated Offers on the CPA Networks
  • Cranked and tested 14 Campaigns - 3 of which are already making money, 4 breaking even and 7 have been dropped.
  • How to write good targetted Ad Copy
  • How to mine relevent Keywords and keyword themes - deep mining and lateral mining.
  • How to optimize campaigns - what stats to read and how to read them - CTR, CPC, Backend Conversion % and EPC.
And the majority of this has been taught in the 1st 2 weeks. This week I have made just under $500 in net profit - from a standing start and absolutely no knowledge in the industry - so by the end of this 13 week course I have no doubt that I will have more than paid my investment back.

Yes - I am sure I could have spent years researching everything on the internet and lost $$$$$ through trial and error and learning by my mistakes but what is the point if someone is willling to teach you - step by step how to do it properly and build a solid business.

All I can say is that the quality of information has been superb so far, the quality of the training has been great and the support with Q&A sessions and Webinars with Aymen and Emmanuel can not be faulted.

Flame away !!!;)

Rich
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Well Stop fuckin' round, and post that shit in da free ebook section.
 
That's great man. I mean, yeah you had to spend money to learn that info, but if you are making money from it then it was a great investment.
 
biglittlepimp said:
richard - are you talking about there "crank" this is there step were they tell you to crank out offer after offer and don't stop until you find something that works. Hmmm, that was better known as throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks method of marketing. don't think this works anymore, at least not for me!
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No - it's more giving yourself a budget to test offers with and keep testing until it either proves a profitable offer or not.

There are no guarantees with any offer - market etc - so by capping your losses and spending your money on testing - it means you find the golden offers which will make you money with the least capital invested in offers that clearly are over competetive or simply not worth the effort. I guess there attitude is build a portfolio of offers from differant niches - like a stocks portfolio on the stock market.

Also they are big into worldwide promotion - my 3 profitable offers so far are in Australia , the UK and Canada - the US seems to be far harder to crack - more resistence to ads etc.

Rich
 
neonlights said:
impressive!
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Thanks Neon - I know it sounds straight forward to someone who has been in the industry a while but when you are starting out - it is'nt as easy as it seems even doing so called simple things such as getting accepted by CPA networks.

Rich
 
There is some truth here, although you could buy an established site to use as your CPA submission. Probably pay around $200 for something on DP.

The people you will meet and associate with on WF, can help you get apps approved through their AMs.

But the test there, is that WickedFire is full of people who pretend to be assholes, so you have to learn how to win people over, when to speak, what constitutes talking stupid shit etc.

$3000 is a nice budget if you want to get started. I bet most noobs start with a 10th of that.

Yeah, so when are you going to post this shit in the free ebooks section so everyone can take advantage of it?
 
He's got single digit posts and yet comes on here to try and defend the biggest bag of steaming retard shit ever released.

What a fucking moron.

Or shill.

Moron-shill.

The truth about that crap is already out there, 'Arbitrage Conspiracy' is just teh latest 'newbie raper' scam. PERIOD.
 
Webferret said:
He's got single digit posts and yet comes on here to try and defend the biggest bag of steaming retard shit ever released.

What a fucking moron.

Or shill.

Moron-shill.

The truth about that crap is already out there, 'Arbitrage Conspiracy' is just teh latest 'newbie raper' scam. PERIOD.
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Don't you love it when people just prove how intelligent they are - so if I understand you right - because I have just joined WF I don't have a right to voice my opinion until I have reached the heady heights of 638 posts ??? Is that correct ?

I am giving my view of something based upon the "facts" - not some forum wanabee who finds it easier to drag everything down than give productive feedback and constructive criticism.

My point is it is working for me after 2 weeks and if it continues to deliver RESULTS then it is worth the investment - I am not proclaiming to know anything at all but I am learning what I need to know TO MAKE MONEY !!

If you want to keep living in your "everything is a scam" world then that's cool - I thought forums were places for people to swop ideas that are working for them and help each other - but maybe I'm just expecting too much !!

Thanks for your support,

Rich
 
guerilla said:
There is some truth here, although you could buy an established site to use as your CPA submission. Probably pay around $200 for something on DP.

The people you will meet and associate with on WF, can help you get apps approved through their AMs.

But the test there, is that WickedFire is full of people who pretend to be assholes, so you have to learn how to win people over, when to speak, what constitutes talking stupid shit etc.

$3000 is a nice budget if you want to get started. I bet most noobs start with a 10th of that.

Yeah, so when are you going to post this shit in the free ebooks section so everyone can take advantage of it?
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Yeah thanks guerilla - i realise that WF is full of guys who know a hell of alot about Internet Marketing and I have already read alot of really useful posts and ideas which will help me. I am also sure that there are genuine people on here who have built good solid businesses and are making good money but as with all industries it does seem to attract it's share of know it alls and assholes - who spend so much time on forums knocking things and flaming everything that there is no way they can be doing anything substantial to make money.

I am a Lawyer in the U.K, so no fool, I have seen my share of scams and am as careful as anyone but I am also willing to still give people a chance and from what I have seen so far - Aymen and his crew have alot of great information, ideas and techniques to share with someone like me who is determined to make it in this business and even give myself the option in a few years of leaving the law.

I am not looking for some get rich quick - answer to all my problems system - I am looking for a solid grounding in the business, from people who are out there doing it - day in and day out - and so far that is exactly what I am getting.

Rich
 
Ah, you're a lawyer. So that's why you come across self-righteous and arrogant. Probably why you could afford to blow $3k on something with limited utility, and could be had for free.

Aymen and his crew have alot of great information, ideas and techniques to share with someone like me
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No they don't. They are ripping you off.
 
guerilla said:
Ah, you're a lawyer. So that's why you come across self-righteous and arrogant. Probably why you could afford to blow $3k on something with limited utility, and could be had for free.


No they don't. They are ripping you off.
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Agreed, go join PPC coach if you're really desperate, you'll get all that step by step crap you want, oh and you won't blow 3k on it.... Or better yet, read wickedfire, read back and just learn everything for free....... your call.
 
I saw week 1 and week two of the course and its pretty shite.

I really dont buy that you've been cranking and getting offers to stick but thats just me.

THe whole idea of joining 12 networks is funny too.

WHy not just join 1 or 2?
 
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