Are there any aff networks ok with blackhat?
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i don't think you'll find any that say they are ok with it, but i've never had any problems. some merchants might not like it. you should always be able to replace your offer/network if there is a problem.
it probably comes down to whether or not they get complaints, threats, etc.
don't worry about it. don't ask don't tell.
it probably comes down to whether or not they get complaints, threats, etc.
don't worry about it. don't ask don't tell.
HarveyJ
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Well, I can tell you that the group I'm with doesn't give a good god damn how you make that ranking, so long a you''re getting some actions through on your landing page... But I didn't say that 
I think you're making the assumption (incorrectly) that black hat traffic is of low quality.
Black hat techniques merely go against the grain, if you will, of what is considered 'white hat' or kosher with the search engines.
If you have a way of ranking in the top serps for a term, that doesn't mean that the person who clicked that link is of lower quality...
There is a huge difference, however, between black hat and straight up spam. The two should never be intermixed. Spam is just... spam. Nobody wants it, it sucks, conversion is horrible, etc. Black hat = Having one up on the search engines.
Black hat techniques merely go against the grain, if you will, of what is considered 'white hat' or kosher with the search engines.
If you have a way of ranking in the top serps for a term, that doesn't mean that the person who clicked that link is of lower quality...
There is a huge difference, however, between black hat and straight up spam. The two should never be intermixed. Spam is just... spam. Nobody wants it, it sucks, conversion is horrible, etc. Black hat = Having one up on the search engines.
Well, I heard about share-a-sale banning a bunch of accounts for blackhat techniques. Even though the affiliates were brining them quite a bit of money.
Even though you can do a domain redirect on a site so the networks wont get the referrers. I was wondering if you were able to reproduce those results on a large quantity of domains in order to dominate serps. There would probably be complaints from WH sites to the aff network and it would be simple to go into serps and see who's sites they are.
So based on what I heard about shareasale and CJ banning accounts (several people), for cloaking. I was trying to find networks that would not act the same way towards blackhat.
You would think if the revenue is coming in that should be the bottom line but, in these cases it isn't.
Even though you can do a domain redirect on a site so the networks wont get the referrers. I was wondering if you were able to reproduce those results on a large quantity of domains in order to dominate serps. There would probably be complaints from WH sites to the aff network and it would be simple to go into serps and see who's sites they are.
So based on what I heard about shareasale and CJ banning accounts (several people), for cloaking. I was trying to find networks that would not act the same way towards blackhat.
You would think if the revenue is coming in that should be the bottom line but, in these cases it isn't.
There are several networks that are known to ban affiliates even if the traffic comes from natural listings, based on blackhat methods. ShareASale is one of them, but merchants at CJ.com have done that as well in several cases that I know of.
And these were affiliates who were pulling in a good amount of revenue..
HarveyJ
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I think it's more the trust problem.
As an affiliate manager, why should I trust that your sales/clicks/conversions/leads are legit and legal when you have no problem stealing other people's accounts to downgrade their advertising bids, or installing malware on people's computers to get them to go to your sites, or switch affiliate links to your own, etc...
"blackhat" seo is a made up term that's thrown about whenever someone's jealous about your ability to build inbound links yourself more quickly than they can. it has nothing to do with it being legal or not, and you're an idiot if you're telling your AM's where you get your traffic from anyway.
You're right there's nothing 'illegal' about black hat methods, you're right you should never tell your AM's where your traffic is coming from.
Really you're only risk with blackhat techniques is that the search engines catch on, and your site gets penalized or even worse, banned.
I disagree Cakes. If I'm running substantial volume through an affiliate network(especially if a lot of it is mostly whitehat) I like to make sure I'm not going to get dropped for some scraper site. Of course, I wait until I actually trust the AM enough to think I have a chance if I ask. I've had very few say no.
Oh yeah, also ask over the phone. Sometimes that's a nasty conversation to have online due to logging.
And you don't have to worry about them selling out your traffic source or whatever, because what are they going to tell the other affiliates?
"Dude. This offer is converting over incredibly with scraper sites and link spam"?
good idea about the phone thing... will have to remember that one...
hahaha, there's a few reps out there that I could see saying that...
I've always been curious about the legal ramifications of adult link spamming. Meaning what happens if your copy of XRumer (for example) drops an adult link on a forum or guest book where that would be REALLY inappropriate. Like a Disney fan forum or something. Is it just a matter of being careful what sites are in your target database? Or is it building links to R-rated sites which then link to your more X-rated ones? I feel like adult blackhat has the most potential to get you in serious shit legally.
there are a lot of porn surfer boards out there...
but I understand what you're saying and it could be an issue... however, I still see some peeps out there spamming CP links and other such nastiness... I would imagine the ones blasting link spam the hardest are overseas and/or do a pretty good job covering their tracks...
personally, I like to take some time and be a little extra careful... do the bread crumbs thing... never spam my good stuff directly...
that reminds me, I've got some old lists I need to clean and update...
HarveyJ
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Actually, fi any of you guys are doing the adult stuff, there's a porno-site-admin thingamy board over here at "Just Blow Me": JustBlowMe.com Adult Webmaster Forum
Might be a good idea to peek around, maybe ask if anyone's doing an Aff program, or if they're interested in starting one up for their sites.
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