Bitcoin Ecommerce Solutions

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I have looked into implementing https://bitpay.com/ ($0/mo., 1%/transaction) with a project. As a non-rabid bitcoin user, I don't have a preference in processors at the moment ... I'm hoping you can help me make up my mind.

Do you have a preferred 3rd party vendor?

Do you know of a processor that is setup to handle monthly subscriptions? Seems like everything I've seen is only for one-off payments.

This thread should probably in DDP, I'm posting it in STS because that's where all the bitcoin talk happens.
 


There are many services, but most won't allow you to set USD prices and pay you in USD while the client pays with BTC.

Unless you are selling digital goods where you don't have fixed USD costs, bitpay seems to me the best option.

I integrated it into my ecommerce site, but so far have had a wild total of 0 bitcoin sales. I mean, not even 1 person TRIED to check out with bitcoin.

I enjoyed the publicity I got from integrating BTC (it gave me a small spike in traffic and a few sales), but I will likely be taking it off my site if I don't see at least a couple of sales a month. I don't like to offer clients too many payment options (it complicates the funnel)
 
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There are many services, but most won't allow you to set USD prices and pay you in USD while the client pays with BTC.

I'm ok doing the conversion myself as long as the subscription allows me to adjust accordingly .... I'm assuming btc/usd price fluctuations are why subscriptions aren't really a selling point listed by "merchants". Too much confusion.

I integrated it into my ecommerce site, but so far have had a wild total of 0 bitcoin sales. I mean, not even 1 person TRIED to check out with bitcoin.

I enjoyed the publicity I got from integrating BTC (it gave me a small spike in traffic and a few sales), but I will likely be taking it off my site if I don't see at least a couple of sales a month. I don't like to offer clients too many payment options (it complicates the funnel)

Yeah, I don't see it being used a whole lot but I do bet there are some people willing to convert bitcoins for what I'm selling in lieu of bank notes ... therefore opening up the market, as opposed to complementing the paypal processing.

To compare and contrast: In this niche, a pure merchant account was <1% of gross income compared to paypal. My point is that I wouldn't take not getting any orders from btc products too personally.
 
I integrated it into my ecommerce site, but so far have had a wild total of 0 bitcoin sales. I mean, not even 1 person TRIED to check out with bitcoin.

And likely you will not get any payments through bitcoin.

Nobody will use it when it's less hassle to pay with USD, especially if you have legit services/products.

Bitcoin is just filling the same niche that e-gold was. I had some money in e-gold back in the day, but luckily I cashed out before it was taken down. The main thing I used it for was paying russians for work done. Times where paying with USD would have been more burdensome.

Before lukep jumps my shit, I'd just like to say that I hope bitcoin works out and goes on to be a smashing success... but I've been around long enough that I'm pessimistic on it. I seem to remember that e-gold lasted over 10 years, while bitcoin just barely hit the 5 year mark. We'll see if it even lives long enough to match what e-gold was.
 
And likely you will not get any payments through bitcoin.

Nobody will use it when it's less hassle to pay with USD, especially if you have legit services/products.

Bitcoin is just filling the same niche that e-gold was. I had some money in e-gold back in the day, but luckily I cashed out before it was taken down. The main thing I used it for was paying russians for work done. Times where paying with USD would have been more burdensome.

Before lukep jumps my shit, I'd just like to say that I hope bitcoin works out and goes on to be a smashing success... but I've been around long enough that I'm pessimistic on it. I seem to remember that e-gold lasted over 10 years, while bitcoin just barely hit the 5 year mark. We'll see if it even lives long enough to match what e-gold was.

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I got some experience here. Whatever you do, do NOT use Blockchain HTTP notifications. They're simply unreliable, and they simple don't send the notifications for probably 25% of the incoming payments. Plus there's the security issue, and hackers will constantly bang the hell out of your notification URL, trying to fake payments.

Personally, I would highly recommend bitcoind. It cuts out the third parties like Blockchain and Bitpay, so you're not reliant on them being online and secure. Plus it's more secure, as there's no notification URL that accepts payment requests. If you have a dedicated server (or even VPS), it's easy to get setup with. First, download the LINUX client at Download - Bitcoin

Unzip on your server, and run the bitcoind client to make sure it works. You'll then notice a file at /root/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf, and just add a line to it such as:

Code:
walletnotify=/home/payments/walletnotify.sh %s

Any time a payment comes in, it's going to hit that shell script, and %s will be replaced with the transaction hash. Then all you do is start bitcoind in daemon mode with:

Code:
bitcoind -daemon

Then you can do things like create new payment addresses using:

Code:
bitcoind getnewaddress

Then every time a payment comes into that address, your shell script fires, and can do whatever you need to process the payment.
 
Anyone have stats on bitcoins usage in non "black market" type transactions? I've seen that huge list of bitcoin merchants but it might as well be craigslist since it's a bunch of small and independent ecommerce sites. I know you can see the daily transaction volume but right now it's a noisy metric due to speculation, are there any details from larger merchants like namecheap or reddit on what percent are using bitcoin vs paypal/credit card?
 
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LOL; That's some funny shit.


I've been around long enough that I'm pessimistic on it. I seem to remember that e-gold lasted over 10 years, while bitcoin just barely hit the 5 year mark. We'll see if it even lives long enough to match what e-gold was.
Yep, we'll certainly see.

The question is, how many coins will you have in your possession on that day?



Anyone have stats on bitcoins usage in non "black market" type transactions? I've seen that huge list of bitcoin merchants but it might as well be craigslist since it's a bunch of small and independent ecommerce sites. I know you can see the daily transaction volume but right now it's a noisy metric due to speculation, are there any details from larger merchants like namecheap or reddit on what percent are using bitcoin vs paypal/credit card?

Black market? No. When the silk road was taken down, bitcoin only dipped for hours, and has been shooting up like a rocket ever since.

I don't think the black market using bitcoins is a measurable part of our economy at all; maybe a few thousands worth daily.

It's those 20,000+ merchants and Chinese speculators that account for mostly all of the bitcoin price. Since BTC China is only available to chinese bank account holders, it's easy to quantify that volume by looking at the volume on BTC China.

Bitpay, coinbase, and the other vendor services aren't giving volume for their customers but occasionally hint that the number is very large.

As for the the rest, all I can do is point you to this:

Coinometrics

That's like the official scoreboard. We hope to destroy Western Union and paypal both in the next couple of years, which according to that chart would put the price of bitcoin x5 at least, or @ $1,500 minimum.
 
So after a month of pending approval status at bitpay and a non-functioning password reset system, I decided to go with coinbase ... up and running in minutes and stupid simple to implement.

I am a bit (sic) concerned because the subscription model for coinbase REQUIRES the buyer to have a coinbase account. Setting one up was easy but if I may ask, is this something that would be friendly to the average btc user (whatever that looks like)?

The other option is that I can go the traditional route of one time payments and just have accounts expire after 30 days or whatever.
Upside: friendly to any wallet
Downside: Monthly manual intervention by clients.
 
Awesome erect, I had already chosen coinbase for my upcoming project too.

As for the buyer-needs-a-coinbase-wallet requirement; I don't really know. We're in uncharted territory and since this is likely the first bitcoin subscription service, ever, people will probably embrace it publicly but be more weary with their actual coins in private.
 
No, there's absolutely no need whatsoever for a buyer to need a Coinbase account. There's also no need to pay whatever fees Coinbase is charging. Subscriptions are also no problem as well. Obviously, there's no way to automate subscriptions, same as you can bang a credit card every month, but you can send reminders saying "to keep your subscription active, please send X bitcoin to ABC address". And if they don't, when they login next, they just get a screen saying their account is inactive, send funds to ABC address, and their account will be activated again immediately.

I'm happy to qualify myself as an expert on bitcoin payments, security, and bitcoin-centric sites now, so if anyone wants some help, feel free to drop me a PM. Instant payments, no fees, excess funds can be automatically flushed to your Coinbase account, offline wallet, or wherever, heavily secure, etc. Would be happy to help get you setup (for a fee, of course).
 
Setting one up was easy but if I may ask, is this something that would be friendly to the average btc user (whatever that looks like)?

No, and it will lower your conversions.
But the real question is why would the average btc user spend it on your site in the first place ?
The average btc user is a speculator. I would go so far as to say every btc user is a speculator.

The other option is that I can go the traditional route of one time payments and just have accounts expire after 30 days or whatever.
Upside: friendly to any wallet
Downside: Monthly manual intervention by clients.
If you let accounts expire and don't rebill them automatically, you will lose sales. Doesn't make sense.