Bitcoin hits $100



When I can buy groceries or gas with bitcoins, it will be relevant.
No, then it would be DOMINANT.

It passed relevancy a long time ago when people figured out that you could move large sums of money over borders with it... Or maybe even before that when people discovered they could stay anonymous when they bought illegal stuff with them.

Since those days it's just grown in size about $1.3 Billion more. If that's still not relevant enough for you, I doubt buying some gas with it will be.



What would you guys say are the biggest needs right now in the Bitcoin industry?
  • 1. More exchanges competing with Mt.Gox. The price drops today were mostly because of the Mt.Gox DDos attack. We desperately need some other exchange to arrive on the scene and compete with it well.

  • 2: Ease of buying coins. BitcoinATM will be a huge step forward here.

  • 3: Brain-dead, super-simple, impossible-to-fuck-up hardware wallets. Think of a pocketable device that you can't destroy with a hammer and has 0.00000 volts flowing through it 99.999% of the time. Only when you press the proper buttons does it turn on, allowing coins to flow in and out of it at that time, and seconds later it is turned off again until next it is needed... It also can't be used for anything else so no malware gets a chance to hop onto it.

  • 4: A trustmark system for existing services... Like Guerilla said about 10 posts ago, a way for people to verify that the services they are thinking about using have been well looked over and secure.

  • 5: A Nice trading platform for all virtual currencies. Think of a platform like TD Ameritrade's but for BTC vs LTC vs NMC vs Second Life Lindens, etc... Putting all of the cryptocurrencies in there, and perhaps dollars, Yen and Euro too. -Someone who can do that is going to mop up because there are literaly thousands of arbitragers out there right now switching from their old platforms to a the crappy exchanges like BTC-E and VirWox to arbitrage cryptocurrency. (I call them crappy because they don't really have a trading platform worth speaking about.)
 
  • 1. More exchanges competing with Mt.Gox. The price drops today were mostly because of the Mt.Gox DDos attack. We desperately need some other exchange to arrive on the scene and compete with it well.

  • 2: Ease of buying coins. BitcoinATM will be a huge step forward here.

  • 3: Brain-dead, super-simple, impossible-to-fuck-up hardware wallets. Think of a pocketable device that you can't destroy with a hammer and has 0.00000 volts flowing through it 99.999% of the time. Only when you press the proper buttons does it turn on, allowing coins to flow in and out of it at that time, and seconds later it is turned off again until next it is needed... It also can't be used for anything else so no malware gets a chance to hop onto it.

  • 4: A trustmark system for existing services... Like Guerilla said about 10 posts ago, a way for people to verify that the services they are thinking about using have been well looked over and secure.

  • 5: A Nice trading platform for all virtual currencies. Think of a platform like TD Ameritrade's but for BTC vs LTC vs NMC vs Second Life Lindens, etc... Putting all of the cryptocurrencies in there, and perhaps dollars, Yen and Euro too. -Someone who can do that is going to mop up because there are literaly thousands of arbitragers out there right now switching from their old platforms to a the crappy exchanges like BTC-E and VirWox to arbitrage cryptocurrency. (I call them crappy because they don't really have a trading platform worth speaking about.)


I think you're forgetting one of the most important aspect of currency, market acceptance. What is the point of a currency if you can't spend it? So far there are very few places where BTC is accepted. Without it, people are just hoarding based on speculative demand.
 
No, then it would be DOMINANT.

It passed relevancy a long time ago when people figured out that you could move large sums of money over borders with it... Or maybe even before that when people discovered they could stay anonymous when they bought illegal stuff with them.

Since those days it's just grown in size about $1.3 Billion more. If that's still not relevant enough for you, I doubt buying some gas with it will be.
I'm glad you as fucking retarded as you appear to be. Someone remind me never to go as full retard as lukep.

Okay but honestly you fucking idiot, let me know when the Amish roadside vegetable stand accepts bitcoins. I'll donate all of my money to the NAACP and jump off a cliff naked.
 
I think you're forgetting one of the most important aspect of currency, market acceptance. What is the point of a currency if you can't spend it? So far there are very few places where BTC is accepted. Without it, people are just hoarding based on speculative demand.

If one of the major features of bitcoin is anonymity, doesn't it defeat the purpose if you could walk into WalMart and make purchases with the currency? (I'm not trying to be an ass, just legitimately curious)

The way I understand it, I don't think the currency is meant to be used by the average citizen for daily purchases. Isn't it similar to the buying of precious metals to hedge against the market and political corruption? You can't "buy groceries or gas" with it directly either. Granted, they are alot more liquid than crytocurrency.

Fuck, I don't know what I'm talking about...
 
Nah I actually can't go to my favorite bar.

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If one of the major features of bitcoin is anonymity, doesn't it defeat the purpose if you could walk into WalMart and make purchases with the currency? (I'm not trying to be an ass, just legitimately curious)

The way I understand it, I don't think the currency is meant to be used by the average citizen for daily purchases. Isn't it similar to the buying of precious metals to hedge against the market and political corruption? You can't "buy groceries or gas" with it directly either. Granted, they are alot more liquid than crytocurrency.

Fuck, I don't know what I'm talking about...

It can be anonymous in some situations, and not anonymous in other situations. I don't think that anyone is arguing about that - the descriptor "anonymous" is used to remind you that you CAN use it anonymously if you really want to. Cash has this same benefit, but only for in-person transactions and when you are away from a security camera.

The instability of the bitcoin conversion rate is due to the number of people who actually have them. When the price is stable because you are no longer adding people to the ranks of accepting the currency, and the number of people in the ranks of the currency's users are sufficiently high (essentially everyone who walks down the street in your city), then local businesses will be able to accept it because they know that everyone who walks into their store will have bitcoin to spend.

It's coming soon. Effective POS and mobile apps to accept payment in stores is merely a minor technical hurdle that I am sure a thousand startup companies are building as we speak.
 
I'm glad you as fucking retarded as you appear to be. Someone remind me never to go as full retard as lukep.

Okay but honestly you fucking idiot, let me know when the Amish roadside vegetable stand accepts bitcoins. I'll donate all of my money to the NAACP and jump off a cliff naked.

I bet the amish take trades for things, like an extra plow blade or a bit of silver.
 
It's coming soon. Effective POS and mobile apps to accept payment in stores is merely a minor technical hurdle that I am sure a thousand startup companies are building as we speak.

Good points.

And I agree, in the next 6 months I'm sure we will see a plethora of Bitcoin related apps and services coming out of the valley.

But if any particular government was to try and end Bitcoin, the first thing they would do is make it extremely difficult for common retailers to accept the currency. All they would have to do is increase the amount of tax you would have to pay on all Bitcoin revenue. Most retailers balk at taking AMEX since they pay upwards of 3% in fees, what if the government was charging them a tax of 8, 9, or even 10% on Bitcoin revenue? The counter argument is that the bitcoins will get transferred to the store owner, but a sale of goods is still happening, and the governing body will want their cut. Most mom and pop shops won't want to fuck with the hassle.
 
It's coming soon. Effective POS and mobile apps to accept payment in stores is merely a minor technical hurdle that I am sure a thousand startup companies are building as we speak.

No. Retailers aren't going to begin accepting Bitcoins until their manufacturers and suppliers begin accepting Bitcoins in exchange for sending a few containers across the Pacific Ocean. I could be wrong, but I'd say Bitcoins is quite a ways away from that.
 
I think you're forgetting one of the most important aspect of currency, market acceptance. What is the point of a currency if you can't spend it? So far there are very few places where BTC is accepted. Without it, people are just hoarding based on speculative demand.
Oh, that's not forgotten... I just feel that quite a lot of progress is already being made in the arena of merchant adoption, especially lately, and they are going to hit a bottleneck trying to push adoption even further without enough demand meeting them, hence my suggestions to increase the demand side.

It's a balancing act really... Merchants got a big jump with the introduction of bitpay, now the users need a big jump to match, and so on and so on...



I'm glad you as fucking retarded as you appear to be. Someone remind me never to go as full retard as lukep.
You are a very angry little man, do you know that?

Perhaps I should try a different approach with you. Since it's not easy getting my concepts across to you as it is to just about everyone else here, I would like to try use bigger fonts or perhaps have someone translate my words into your language... Would that help any bro?


If one of the major features of bitcoin is anonymity, doesn't it defeat the purpose if you could walk into WalMart and make purchases with the currency? (I'm not trying to be an ass, just legitimately curious)
Yup, like VinBed said; anonymity is optional. The IRS certainly isn't encouraging that feature. ;)


The way I understand it, I don't think the currency is meant to be used by the average citizen for daily purchases.
So far. The point here is that every single day more things are bought over the internet than they are by the old fashion ways.

Bitcoin is the Only net-native currency. (The only dominant one at least.) Online, it's advantages out-perform other currencies in every single way that matters. (Lowest fees, most privacy, fastest transactions, best security, etc...)

So as we become more accustomed to paying for every little things with our cellphones or through our computers, bitcoin simply can't fail at being the preferred currency once it's adopted by enough merchants.


Isn't it similar to the buying of precious metals to hedge against the market and political corruption?
Absolutely. It does all of that by default. It's actually better than PrecMets are for the need of Value Storage because they are tracked by governments and not allowed across national lines... Bitcoins can't be tracked or restricted like this.

(Inb4 someone reminds me that they can't store value because they're just worthless data...)


If any particular government was to try and end Bitcoin, the first thing they would do is make it extremely difficult for common retailers to accept the currency. All they would have to do is increase the amount of tax you would have to pay on all Bitcoin revenue. Most retailers balk at taking AMEX since they pay upwards of 3% in fees, what if the government was charging them a tax of 8, 9, or even 10% on Bitcoin revenue? The counter argument is that the bitcoins will get transferred to the store owner, but a sale of goods is still happening, and the governing body will want their cut. Most mom and pop shops won't want to fuck with the hassle.
That will dissuade some merchants, and embolden others to not report these sales.

But unlike Amex, they are able to truly hide these sales from their government so you can bet it won't be a small number of mom and pop shops taking them under the table. (This is System D at work, which is ALREADY the world's #2 largest economy.)


No. Retailers aren't going to begin accepting Bitcoins until their manufacturers and suppliers begin accepting Bitcoins in exchange for sending a few containers across the Pacific Ocean. I could be wrong, but I'd say Bitcoins is quite a ways away from that.
LOL... You're wrong.

First of all, what's the cheapest way to move large amounts of money across borders?

Secondly, who says they have to pay their supplier with the same currency they took from their customers? They can exchange it, and if the advantage in their local market is worth the hassle, they eventually will.

Especially since Walletbit introduced this at CES last year:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5yEZLWOdRU]A Bitcoin Way to Pay - YouTube[/ame]
 
My favorite part about all of the Bitcoin hype is the fact that the #1 Bitcoin exchange is MtGOX, a name which actually stands for Magic the Gathering Online eXchange. Holy shit if that doesn't inspire confidence I don't know what will.

Also, courtesy of Buttcoin:

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