Building A Real Estate Empire

Working on advancing my slumlord XP level, recently I increased to "Duplex" ranking :D

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Haven't posted an update in a while.

Bought 3 properties (I think) since the last post, we're under contract for one more.


SO that brigs us to

#1 - freestanding 2000sf+ house - Rented for $1,000/mo (Paid $62.5k)
#2 - smaller fresstanding house - Rented for $600/mo (Paid $33.5k)
#3 - 2 houses on one lot - Rented for - $1400/mo (Paid $71k)

#4 - Frestanding house Being rehabbed right now, $37.5k estimated total expense, $750/mo in income but we might flip or landcontract it for $500/mo w/ $5k down.
#5 - Big duplex Being rehabbed, figure $56.5k total expense, $1300/mo in income.

#6 - Big duplex already rented & rehabbed, desprate seller -$38k or so to purchase, bringing in around $1250/mo.

So, all in all we'll be bringing in $6,300/mo in income off of a $300k investment, or 25.2% simple interest.


One of the things you get to see while doing the rehab process is how amazingly stupid people are. This was the wiring job on a house we bought (Property #4). The guy cut the cord off of a fan, drilled holes through the wall, ran the cord to the 2nd floor so he could power a bathroom heater.

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Holy fire hazard Batman! Jesus christ what a piece of work.

Have you been buying off the MLS or other avenues?
 
Not going to lie, the wood paneling in the video reminded me of the shanedollas rap video from years ago..

Great progress though and hope it continues to do well for you. You are in a nice place that has a great rent to purchase ratio for you.
 
Getting my 1st property right now (I'm 22 and was renting before). I have a goal to get 2 more before 25.


I'm 28 and have these 6 in the company and 2 more that my brother and I share.

If any of you guys want to get into some investing and don't want to manage/deal with stuff, we'll be doing real estate backed bonds here soon at pretty decent return rates.
 
Just read through your business plan. Seems like you convinced investors (idiots) to give you 70% of the outstanding stock. Props on the hustle.

Best of luck.
 
Just read through your business plan. Seems like you convinced investors (idiots) to give you 70% of the outstanding stock. Props on the hustle.

Best of luck.

The idea behind the split was that if our funding platforms stalled (Which they have at times) we would still be able to approach a larger VC partner, sell equity and continue funding. The 70% cut has worked out for both sides. I have one of the highest returns out of the 30-40 companies that funded when we did. Something like 30 of them have already gone under, 1 has a return somewhere along the lines of half of what we do.

Right now we're at around $400k of funding so far, $300k has been utilized, market value of $450k-$500k with a monthly gross income of around $4250 which should increase to $6100 once we're at full occupancy (7 of 10 units are occupied, the last 3 are in rehab).

My interim goal that wasn't mentioned on the biz plan is to complete 2 flips this year. It would bump our investor return up significantly.
 
I was part of a flip earlier this year. Got the house for around $80 in a growing area (about 14 yr old house). There were special circumstances at play here that allowed us to get it this cheap. We did cosmetics and sold 5k over asking for $170 + closing to a family. Extremely extremely lucky for my first one to be a part of.
 
The idea behind the split was that if our funding platforms stalled (Which they have at times) we would still be able to approach a larger VC partner, sell equity and continue funding. The 70% cut has worked out for both sides. I have one of the highest returns out of the 30-40 companies that funded when we did. Something like 30 of them have already gone under, 1 has a return somewhere along the lines of half of what we do.

Right now we're at around $400k of funding so far, $300k has been utilized, market value of $450k-$500k with a monthly gross income of around $4250 which should increase to $6100 once we're at full occupancy (7 of 10 units are occupied, the last 3 are in rehab).

My interim goal that wasn't mentioned on the biz plan is to complete 2 flips this year. It would bump our investor return up significantly.

Assuming funding stalls, why not issue more shares at that time?

With your current numbers you're simply ripping off your investors. The returns they're getting is not worth the implied risk. Note: I admire your ability to convince investors that they're making good returns, however let's be honest -- they're not.

Based on your numbers:

$400k raised
$6.1k gross income -- assuming 100% occupancy.

6.1*12 = $73.2k gross annual income

$73.2*.3 = $21.96 going to the investors

assuming expenses of $0, then their return equals $21.96/400 = 5.49%

Seeing as the risk with such an investment is insanely high (30 of the 40 companies went under), a 5.49% return is nowhere close to justified.

Furthermore, when you calculate expenses + income tax, then it's likely your "investors" will get slightly above a 2% return.

...

With that said, let's calculate your assumed profit for this year:

$73.2*.7 = $51.24k in rental income. Obviously expenses have to be deducted from this, but let's assume you're left with $20k.

On top of that, you now own $450k in assets. $450k * .7 = $315k.

So far this year you've earned $315k + $20k = $335k. Your investors on the other hand have not.

Once again, I admire your hustle.
 
Just as a quick note we've about completed all the paperwork/disclosures for a second round of funding. We're shooting for $2m-$3m this time around from investors.

I've written out a fantastic 34pg booklet on what we do if anyone wants to take a look at it. Kind of would like feedback on anything I'm missing.

i'd love the chapter on what you'll do when the US loses reserve currency status. (that chapter subtitled "blink blink oh fuck my whole portfolio is worthless").

thanks.
 
i'd take a look at the booklet too if you are still offering it congrats on the success im here in Cali and i'm sure i cannot find anything for the prices you are getting
 
Assuming funding stalls, why not issue more shares at that time?

With your current numbers you're simply ripping off your investors. The returns they're getting is not worth the implied risk. Note: I admire your ability to convince investors that they're making good returns, however let's be honest -- they're not.

Based on your numbers:

$400k raised
$6.1k gross income -- assuming 100% occupancy.

6.1*12 = $73.2k gross annual income

$73.2*.3 = $21.96 going to the investors

assuming expenses of $0, then their return equals $21.96/400 = 5.49%

Seeing as the risk with such an investment is insanely high (30 of the 40 companies went under), a 5.49% return is nowhere close to justified.

Furthermore, when you calculate expenses + income tax, then it's likely your "investors" will get slightly above a 2% return.

...

With that said, let's calculate your assumed profit for this year:

$73.2*.7 = $51.24k in rental income. Obviously expenses have to be deducted from this, but let's assume you're left with $20k.

On top of that, you now own $450k in assets. $450k * .7 = $315k.

So far this year you've earned $315k + $20k = $335k. Your investors on the other hand have not.

Once again, I admire your hustle.

For the first year of all properties, the cut is 47/53 (In my favor). Additionally I take care of all operating taxes (Taxes from income and profit, not RE taxes).

The non-leveraged, estimated return to the investors is around 6.5% APY. Once we leverage this expected to go up to the range of 20%-30% after a year.

The huge equity share allows me to approach larger VC and still offer some equity in the business for more preferential terms for the current investors. Most of the RE startups I've looked at are funding in the 3m-5m range expecting a 10% return to investors. Once we get our acquisition/disposition/cashflow system in place we then can approach larger firms, offer 20% at a $5m valuation, then suddenly the 30% I've already sold off to investors at $500k has suddenly become worth much more in terms of equity.
 
i'd love the chapter on what you'll do when the US loses reserve currency status. (that chapter subtitled "blink blink oh fuck my whole portfolio is worthless").

thanks.


Everything is undervalued when we buy it. During the depression real estate was one of the few things that didn't take nearly as hard of a hit and still was profitable. Of course we would take a hit, but we could still function.

Additionally I want to branch out into raw materials - Timber, farmland, gas, oil and other things that can float with inflation. If we have a currency crisis in the US, regardless of what I do I'll be screwed most likely along with the other ~313 million other people that live here. And then, if the US goes down, the whole world goes down with it, so regardless of what I have my money in, it'll be problematic.
 
To me that whole business model just gives me a headache just thinking about it.

I'm sure it's a good income generator but all the potential issues with maintenance, bad tenants, empty properties just puts me right off.