Cap and trade bullshit

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Enjoy your tax on air folks, here it comes. Passed the house 219-212, on to the senate. Here come higher electricity bills, higher gas costs, more regulations on light bulbs, higher natural gas bills, and less manufacturing jobs in the U.S. 20% unemployment here we come. This affects us too guys - no disposable income = nobody buying acai berry.
 


Watch the end of this. Permanent recession. Pretty scary.

But these guys just charge ahead with special interest and ideological agendas, regardless of what constituents think, or how it affects them. These politicians are paid off today, and the effects won't hit the ballot boxes for 3 or 4 election cycles.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384CqqxGyZE]YouTube - 6/25/09 Peter Schiff Discusses Disastrous Climate Change Bill with Glenn Beck[/ame]
 
The overwhelming, independent evidence that cap and trade will destroy our country, is out there.These Democrats are either 1) stupid or 2) traitors to the country. There are no other answers for this. I hope these huge increases in energy cost, breaks the backs of the sheeple that voted for Obama and his Chicago gang of traitors.
 
Glen Beck is my fucking hero! One of the very few people that brings this shit mainstream.

With how setup and crooked this system is with media control I'm surprised this show is even allowed to air.
 
Glen Beck is my fucking hero! One of the very few people that brings this shit mainstream.

With how setup and crooked this system is with media control I'm surprised this show is even allowed to air.

Wait and see. Radio and television programs that speak out against the admin. won't be on the air for long.
 
Hypothetical conversation between Thomas Jefferson and president Obama...

Thomas Jefferson: So, I don't get it... how are you paying for this Cap and Trade thing?

President Obama: Easy. Through future savings.

Jefferson: Say what?

Obama: Well, that and taxes.

Jefferson: ... and taxes...

Obama: Yeah, plus other stuff.

Jefferson: Like what other stuff?

Obama: Well, the Fed's gonna have to print some money to pay for a portion.

Jefferson: They're just going to... print money?

Obama: Yeah.

Jefferson: And the people are cool with that?

Obama: Well, we don't actually ask their permission.

[Jefferson stares blankly at Obama]

Jefferson: Frankly, I'm surprised they're willing to pay taxes each year.

Obama: They don't have a choice in that, either.

Jefferson: What if they don't pay their taxes?

Obama: We lock 'em up. [laughs]

[Jefferson stares blankly at Obama]

Jefferson: They still have firearms, right?

Obama: We'll, we're trying to solve that problem [laughs].

[Jefferson stares blankly at Obama]

Jefferson: You do realize that none of what you've just said is supported by the U.S. Constitution, right?

Obama: Hey, man... what we're doing is for the people and future generations.

Jefferson: Uh-huh. And you know it's unconstitutional, right?

Obama: Listen, I taught constitutional law for a decade. I know the U.S. Constitution like the back of my hand.

[Jefferson stares blankly at Obama. Then rubs his temple.]

Jefferson: I need a smoke to calm my nerves.

Obama: [laughs] Smoke 'em while you can.

Jefferson: [chuckles] ... yeah... Wait. What?
 
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These are the important things to know.

1. Higher energy prices lead to recession.

2. In a recession, higher energy prices will lead to prolonged recession.

3. Because the price increase is in taxes, supply won't rise (suppliers are not seeing the upside of higher taxes, so they have no incentive to increase supply, on the contrary because demand will drop, they might decrease supply, pushing prices up further still.

4. The trade portion, refers to how firms can trade their excess credits to other firms for money. So if Plant A produces less pollution, they can sell a portion of their cap to Plant B. This will create a new derivatives market, almost like a secondary energy currency, that the banks will use as reserves. So basically, the banks will be the ones controlling the energy industry and with a new financial derivative market, at a time when everyone in the world should be terrified of derivatives.

Also, don't blame Obama. This Al Gore stuff has been the legislative agenda in Washington for nearly a decade. Btw, Al Gore has himself set up to make a lot of money off this.

McCain supported this as well. In fact, a bunch of Republicans crossed the aisle to get this passed.

44 Democrats voted against.

Democrat and Republican are false distinctions. There is no left and right. They all vote for the same programs no matter who is in power.
 
Democrat and Republican are false distinctions. There is no left and right. They all vote for the same programs no matter who is in power.

agreed, they are all corrupt... so many people caught up on partisan bullshit, they can't see the forest from the trees...

I can only hope this legislation fails to pass the senate, otherwise it's the death blow for the US economy :(
 
Enjoy your tax on air folks, here it comes. Passed the house 219-212, on to the senate. Here come higher electricity bills, higher gas costs, more regulations on light bulbs, higher natural gas bills, and less manufacturing jobs in the U.S. 20% unemployment here we come. This affects us too guys - no disposable income = nobody buying acai berry.

How dare you bring up something this important and life changing when we've so recently lost the king of pop. Because, you know, from what I can see, 99% of the population thinks that's far more devastating.

Brb, I'm going to go turn on my air conditioner and have a cigarette while I still can.

Glen Beck is my fucking hero! One of the very few people that brings this shit mainstream.

Unfortunately he's a lying sack of shit in too many other departments.

Also, don't blame Obama. This Al Gore stuff has been the legislative agenda in Washington for nearly a decade. Btw, Al Gore has himself set up to make a lot of money off this.

I agree with your post entirely other than this. In a basic sense, he's the president, he has massive influence, and thus - if he gave a shit - could put his weight behind stopping it. So...I don't think it's unreasonable to assign a portion of the blame to him.

Democrat and Republican are false distinctions. There is no left and right.

I wish more people could see this.
 
I agree with your post entirely other than this. In a basic sense, he's the president, he has massive influence, and thus - if he gave a shit - could put his weight behind stopping it. So...I don't think it's unreasonable to assign a portion of the blame to him.
Obama won't stop the legislation any more than McCain or Bush would. They are there to rubber stamp the agenda, just like all of the Congress people who vote for bills they don't even read.

Until people realize that, no change will come.
 
Obama won't stop the legislation any more than McCain or Bush would. They are there to rubber stamp the agenda, just like all of the Congress people who vote for bills they don't even read.

Until people realize that, no change will come.

I'm with you there. My point is that he *could*, but yes, like the rest of them, won't.
 
The world must be laughing at us, how fucking stupid can we possibly get?

Yep, China and India are laughing at how we are on the road to giving away the most powerful economy in the world to them. Meanwhile, Russia is laughing because they are just now pulling themselves out of the mess that we are so damned determined to enter into.
 
I was expecting this for some time just didn't know when it would actually take effect.

America is really Roman Empiring themselves with this one.

Reminds me to find some other ventures where I'm not getting payments in dollars.
 
Scary -- very fuckin' scary. But am I surprised? No.

Canada FTW. :D
Yeah, it sure does rock to be in Canada - we've elected nutbags like this every single election ever. Even our Conservatives are crazy swing voting liberal douchebags that buy in to this shit.

Plus, we've got Jack Layton. :eek7:
 
I am all for protecting the environment and trying to go green but if they decide to look at any facts on this they will see that cap and trade has never worked and has always had a negative affect. What it comes down to is the rich companies buy more credits from small companies who will never use them and the pollution never changes but the companies are forced to pay more for everything. Then of course the companies are going to pass it on to the consumers so expect higher everything if this passes. It seems like our government is trying to ruin our country.