Chiroprators - Real Deal or Bullshit?

[greenleaves]

Thats why Chiropractic works. It's basic fucking common sense. Disks, joints get out of whack, pinch nerves, cause muscle spasms which in turn pulls disks more out of alignment....Put everything back in place and shit works the way it was intended.

Your car never gets out of alignment? Never need to fill the tires and rebalance? What happens if you don't? Shit starts to rattle apart.

I'm not against traditional doctors nor drugs but if I can simply fix the root of the problem rather than pop pills and other chemicals I'll do it.

You're an idiot. You know shit about back pain. You know dick shit about medicine. It is obvious. There are medical reasons your back can give you pain. That is why you need a medical professional for help. Some pains have cures, others don't. Those that have a cure are given therapy of various types or surgery... pills/shots are only to help symptoms or help loosen up overly tense muscles so that they can receive treatment.

I'm assuming you also believe all the common sense that goes into google money trees, acai berries and other magic solutions?

 

[Dave Markel]

Real deal all the way. I don't think any other DR is qualified to treat back problems.

 

[greenleaves]

I found this clip... too bad it doesn't have all the contents of the episode:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzjoKhBklYg]YouTube - Penn and Teller: Placebo Effect[/ame]

* Chiropractors can do as much good as a good massage... but when you get a massage... you don't have to get all the 'magic' bullshit!

 

[HardSale]

There are medical reasons your back can give you pain.

No shit? Thanks Quincy.

Some pains have cures, others don't.

Does one have to attend medical school to come to such brilliant conclusions?

pills/shots are only to help symptoms or help loosen up overly tense muscles so that they can receive treatment.

Again, your insight is remarkable asshole. Ever fucking stop to think that maybe some problems are more simply solved than to have invasive procedures? Anyone with half a fucking brain should understand that a visit to a chiropractor can't solve every fucking problem. But there are many simple issues that traditional MD's make worse through surgery and medication.

You know how many doctors just pump their patients up with steroids because it's a quick fix? It can also cause avascular necrosis of the bone. The point is that both doctors and chiropractors have a place but the patient has to ultimately take responsibility for their care.

Try to learn how to not be such a dumb cunt.

 

[keliix06]

It's a medical branch based on science facts.

Umm... no, it's not. It's made up bullshit that someone stated in the 1800s and no real research has gone into chiropractics. You really think "subluxation" causes any problems? Then you'd probably be interested in my miracle tonic too.

It has been shown time and time again that you get no more benefit for a chiropractic adjustment as you do from a massage. That's why so many chiropractors offer massage.

From wikipedia, you can follow the references there. Doctors certainly don't think chiropractic is medicine.

For most of its existence, chiropractic has battled with mainstream medicine, sustained by ideas such as subluxation[10] that are not based on solid science.[11] Vaccination remains controversial among chiropractors.[12] The American Medical Association called chiropractic an "unscientific cult"[13] and boycotted it until losing a 1987 antitrust case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic#cite_note-Cooper-13

 

[Sonny Forelli]

look for an 'upper cervical' specialist.

Fuck the 'crack the whole back' bullshit- fix the PROBLEM , not the symptoms.

Adjustments you don't feel- geared at fixing the underlying issues not providing immediate symptomatic relief.

google 'blair chiropractic' - i've had great luck personally w/ this

 

[HardSale]

American Medical Association

The AMA also recently endorsed asshole Obama's health care scheme even though a recent poll of doctors showed over 90% of them are against the health scheme.

Point is the AMA means dick. I don't know the first thing about the history of chiropractic, I just know firsthand it solves basic alignment problems that cause grinding of the bones, muscle tension, headaches etc.

 

[keliix06]

Chiropractic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now you know the history, and that it isn't worth shit. A good massage would have done as much good for any back pain you had as your chiropractor.

 

[greenleaves]

No shit? Thanks Quincy.

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The point is that both doctors and chiropractors have a place but the patient has to ultimately take responsibility for their care.

Try to learn how to not be such a dumb cunt.

So you blast me for stating the obvious which you can't seem to grasp yet your point is just some obvious ambivalent conclusion?

You've proved that you are over 12 and know a little bit of bad language. But the fact is, all the posts you made on this thread, just like all the posts you have made on this forum are a waste of cyber space.

There is such a thing as a placebo effect. That is probably what you feel with your chiropractor. That and the effects of a good massage. That is why you can't depend 100% on your own perception... but people who really know about your body (i.e. certified doctors).

I'm sorry I showed you that video... I would have loved to sell you a chiropractic jacket.

I can just envision your next reply, like your last, will be insult laden, yet won't have anything real to say. So fuck off you noobish a-hole.

 

[zorba]

Here's the reason for the confusion: Chiropractic, as founded by D.D. Palmer in 1890, is a pseudoscience based on the idea that "subluxations" impede the flow of "nerve energy" and this is the cause of all disease. This is where it all started, and many chiropractors still believe this. These people will try to cure cancer with spinal adjustments; it will, of course, not work. The underlying thesis is bullshit -- there's no such thing as a subluxation or nerve energy, so any attempt to do anything with it will work only via placebo effect.

However, by founding a school of health practice based on manipulating the skeletal system, Palmer caused a lot of people to learn quite a lot about manipulating the skeletal system. If your health issue is pain with musculoskeletal causes, a skilled chiropractor really can make you feel a whole lot better. The problem is that many chiropractors will prescribe the same remedy for every single illness, when it really only works for one of them.

Basically, if you have a chiropractor who talks about making your back feel better, he may be good. If he talks about your flow of nerve energy, he's probably a quack, albeit a quack that truly believes his quackery works.

 

[moyleslaw]

Chiropractic does work, I personally have been helped through chiropractic where I did have sever allergies and could not eat a lot of common foods and I now am able to. I suggest finding one with a good track record of patients that have gotten good results - just like anything else in life there are some people that are better at things than others.

 

[turbolapp]

^^see that's the problem it's when people go all insane with it: "I got my back adjusted and now my warts are gone" wtf?

There's no question Spinal manipulations are necessary in some cases, I just wish more doctors would do it. (Many Osteopathic Doctors will do spinal manipulations) I went back in January when my back was so far out of adjustment that I looked like a walking question mark. One visit put it back. Did it heal? Fuck no I have to work everyday at it on my own (my walking and my own self adjustments) but for severe displacements, yes, go see a chiropractor.

 

[keliix06]

The AMA also recently endorsed asshole Obama's health care scheme even though a recent poll of doctors showed over 90% of them are against the health scheme.

No, 90% of doctors don't want their pay to go down. Doctors in this country see the job as a way to get rich, not a way to help people. Not that I'm for this plan.

If there was a proposed plan that everyone who wants acai would have it paid for by the government, and it was going to be cheaper for everyone, but we affiliates would make less money, of course we'd be against it. Same exact thing.

 

[HBZSoftware.com]

Sometimes they do wonders, sometimes they fuck you up.

If you want a low risk solution that'll work for most people most of the time, do back stretches daily, and join a gym and exercise your back - low weight, high reps. In two months you probably won't know you ever had back problems.

And if you don't have one already, get a good chair.

 

[Kyle]

Funny this. I've used a chiropractor over here in the UK who was part of a fairly large national chiropractric brand.

Thing is, this guy took before and after x-rays of my back. So (ignoring the cancer this will probably cause from all the radiation), this was great as i could see real evidence of how it was working. Initially my spine was slightly twisted and my neck line was a bit off, but a few months and over a thousand pounds later it was all fixed.

But yeah, chiropractors for spinal issues, doctors for just about everything else. Job done.

 

[jenzkc]

join a gym and exercise your back - heavy weight, low reps

fixed. heavy deadlifts = no back problems (unless you fail and do them wrong)

here's a girl deadlifting 315lbs for inspiration:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY7go2rlqB4"]YouTube - Jodi - Deadlift 315x1[/ame]


having a good posture and not slouching in your chair helps too.

 

[AdHustler]

It feels good but honestly my back never cracked before i went to the chiropractor...now it feels like it NEEDS to be cracked multiple times per day and even cracks on its own. Unless you are in extreme pain i say stay away.

 

[Fatbat]

You're an idiot. You know shit about back pain. You know dick shit about medicine. It is obvious. There are medical reasons your back can give you pain. That is why you need a medical professional for help. Some pains have cures, others don't. Those that have a cure are given therapy of various types or surgery... pills/shots are only to help symptoms or help loosen up overly tense muscles so that they can receive treatment.

Actually his reply was basic common sense and yours is laden with bullshit. You talk about therapy and treatment, of what kind? Physiotherapy? My chiropractor did a hell of a lot more good for me than the sports medicine clinic did.

Doctors often refer people to chiropractors btw.

Shots, pills, surgery? If that's the route you'd like to go have at it.

 

[pattyflory]

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[kblessinggr]

It's a real science, but short of a pinched nerve or something that can be 'seen' with an MRI its pain-based. And practitioners in a pain-based practice that bases results on the clients feeling pain or not can quite often be saturated with crooks. Especially since half the people who may offer this kind of service didn't goto anything more than a massage therapy school as opposed to an actual medical degree, usually helps to find out if the guy or gal actually has a degree from an accredited medical school.

If you have a primary physician you could always ask for referrals that way instead of whatever pops up in the yellow pages. (and who knows maybe your primary physician might catch you on some behaviors that may be contributing during the conversation).

I would say Brandon's case is a Quack, doesn't sound like the guy did any poking or limb flex or anything during the questioning, which is usually a much better indicator of where a problem is than 3 generally worded questions.