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What digresses me the most is the fact that as Muslims we cannot stand up to the bad guys and say "Fuck the Quran, Fuck the Hadiths, we just wanna live happily in harmony"

There's no such thing, just look at what happened to the guy who claimed that all the hadiths are bogus(anti-hadiths, and also the religion of Baha'i.

http://www.quranalone.com/
http://www.bahai.org/

These are branches of Islam that promote nothing but peace but all of them got killed in the end.
 


Oh wow, an old thread brought back to life. That's nice.

clyde, I don't feel like refuting your bullshit point by point because if you actually read my posts, you'll see that my main point was about civilians who want peace but can't do anything, not about the Islam itself.

You main fallacy though stems from being confused about the concept of separation of church and state vs. some specific religion.

The lack of such separation is the cause of what you described. The religion in question is irrelevant.
 
Islam can't work like how Christianity works. To separate it from "state" is un-islamic = apostasy = death.

Is reason why public stoning and decapitating is still practiced in rich Saudi.
 
Islam can't work like how Christianity works.
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It wasn't all that different with Christianity just a few hundred years ago.

In any case, you are the living proof of my point. It was originally stated that all (or rather most) Muslims hate the West and want everyone else dead.

I disagreed and stated that there are plenty of Muslims who are more like moderate Christians -- they basically don't give a fuck and just want to live in peace.

And here you are, proving what I said by presenting yourself as a Muslim who doesn't give a fuck. That's exactly what I was talking about.

As for what religion is good or evil, that conversation is doomed to fail. All of them can (and have been) used to justify acts of both good and evil.
 
Well this is just great, I just typed 1500 words of hubpage worthy article and WickedFire logged out on me.

I guess Allah is not on my fuckin side.

I'll get back to this tomorrow.

edit: I hate nothing better to do so let me just finish this up. (I wrote a lot more than this before it got deleted btw) :p

I'm NOT a Muslim. I'm a secular atheist who's been forced to live a lie because living in an Islamic country (or around Muslims) I worry of my safety.

The only argument that I'm debating is you pointing out "Islam is a religion of peace." when it is not.

If you want to learn about Islam, go to Afghan and tell a local Muslima housewife that you don't think it's OK for Muhammad to boink a 9y/o. I guarantee you'll make the Faux news with a YouTube video going viral.

I stand by my point, Muslims that are "moderate" according to you are only so, because they don't know/practice Islam. They've either been raised in a secular environment or have parents that are secularists.
 
ricdes said:
damn...

no wonder they hate the US over there. Saddam was a dictator but at least he had the crap under control and you could walk around without getting shot randomly... now its all full with death squadrons and suicide bombers
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dont forget he also killed thousands of people, including women and children
 
Clyde's comments are something else. Clyde pat yourself on the back for standing for something. And the right thing too. You got ballz that many do not have.

Clyde you would be a roaring success if you went public with that. Many muslims would back you up and say hell yeah.

To the democrats on this thread, we all felt the same way you do when we were 19.

Then we found out the way the world works and - wow - things are not unicorns and rainbows. And that issues are more complaex than linkbait videos. Amazing.
 
PhillipMarlow said:
It wasn't until Vietnam that the U.S. really perfected the art of killing.
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Vietnam was one of the biggest clusterfucks in the history of warfare. We employed tactics that were terribly ineffective, sent soldiers into battle with experimental weapons that were not suitable for duty (first version of the M-16 jammed all the time due to lack of corrosion protection on the bolt, carrier, and barrel...and no cleaning kits were issued because they were "self cleaning"), and had to draft unwilling young men to go fight. Although medical technology had advanced from WW2 and helicopters had advanced to the degree where they were a useful offensive asset, we had shit pretty well figured out by WW2.

While we were going through an awkward teen kind of phase during WW1, during WW2 we got pretty fuckin' good at killing people. Some technologies that come to mind:

-Machine guns (fixed and hand-held) with cyclic-rates above 500 rpm.
-Long range bombers with sights accurate enough to hit a building from 25k feet.
-Tanks
-Fighter aircraft with radio equipment that could be called in to support soldiers on the ground.
-Nuclear bombs: when you can kill 100k with a single munition...you're pretty "good" at killing people.


Now, some "America!!!! Fuck Yeah!!!" since I have a great amount of respect for my grandfathers and the other men and women who served our country and the world in WW2 and I want to use one of my favorite quotes....

The brave men and women who fought for American in WW2 were not the "greatest generation" but we were a nation of hard sonsabitches. The nation had been dealing with the Great Depression for the past decade. More importantly, a much greater percentage of the population lived in rural areas/on farms and had experience shooting, hunting, and tracking. Folks had rifles and knew how to use them.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass..."
Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto

You train an 18 y/o boy farm boy who's been stacking hay bales and shooting since he was 5 how to fight and then put an M1 in his hands and you have a lethal battle system. The Japanese figured we would never leave our shores since we, as a country, were overwhelmingly Isolationist until the bombing of Pearl Harbor. We showed the world that they had greatly underestimated our ability and willingness to bring the fight to their front door.
 
consigliere said:
dont forget he also killed thousands of people, including women and children
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<americahate class='ricdes'>Why I Love Saddam</americahate>

<whitewash class='ricdes'>I'll just forget about the 800,000 in his mass graves, and the half a million that starved during the UN sanctions while he built palaces. He was a baller.</whitewash>

<moral relativism class='ricdes'>No matter how evil anybody else in another culture is, no matter how much torture and death they rain on human beings, America is STILL WORSE because of:
<option>Pat Robertson
<option>Ronald Reagan
<option>Sara Palin
<option>Capitalism
</moral relativism>
 
clyde, dude the things you say are obvious. Do you really think that nobody knows about the shit that goes on in the Middle East?

So no need to pat yourself on the back or tickle your own balls, or whatever.

What's funny is that you still don't seem to get that your own statements support what I was saying before.

The majority of people over there are forced into complying with the religious laws (and submerged into belief system) of the ruling class; the class which is comprised of religious extremists.

That's the lack of separation of church and state right there.

Those in power tell you what Islam is and what it's not. And if you disagree, then you get murdered.

My original response was to hellblazer or popeye or whoever (they all look/sound/read the same to me). And the response was to show that the actual ordinary people "over there" don't want to "destroy our way of life". They just want to be left alone.

And equating them all to the extremists (and by extension presenting a premise that killing them is OK) isn't the right way to look at it.
 
clyde said:
bcc423, fuck you. You're ignorant as fuck. I've lived as a Muslim in an ISLAMIC country for 24 years now and everything you say about Islam is not TRUE.

ISLAM is a religion of hatred and violence.

Muslims that are nice just happen to be nice because they never studied or actually followed Islam.

Islam is no joke, the day Islam becomes a religion of peace is when all the muslims in the world throw all the Quran's in the world into a bonfire and sings Kumbaya My lord!

Fuck you
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Thanks for sharing your experience, clyde. That sucks you have to live that way. And don't bother trying to debate bcc2433, dude's a troll.
 
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