Seems accurate from what I've seen.
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Climate change? do you believe it?
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Seems accurate from what I've seen.
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lol what are you talking about? the temperature levels have been increasing very steadily, and they will continue to do so. you don't need to be a climate scientist to extrapolate that one day the planet will be too hot to live in. jesus fucking christ I can't believe I have to explain this.
What if not? There's no question that if there's something we can do about this, we should.
I find it hilarious that earth-lovers are always suggesting some modification of human behavior in order to extend the length of time we as a species are able to continue raping the planet and reshaping it to fit our needs. You guys are like minarchists, arguing that a "little rape is ok, but too much rape is BAD, so we need strict limits on the amount of rape that we will tolerate".
If you actually cared about the earth, you'd be all for carbon emissions increasing, because ostensibly, that would accelerate the global warming phenomenon and cause the earth to become uninhabitable for humans even faster. I may not be convinced that the recent climate change we've been able to observe accurately has been caused by human activity, or to what degree, but I am certainly convinced that human beings are bad for the earth in general.
If the rising temperatures do result in catastrophe for human beings, wouldn't that catastrophe result in severly reduced carbon emissions on a scale no legislator or tree-hugging activist could dare to dream about? Wouldn't that be the best possible solution?
I'm of the opinion that if climate change is a problem created by humans, and it does have severely negative consequences, then the problem and the solution have arisen simultaenously, as they often do, and we've got nothing to worry about.
If climate change is not a problem created by humans and/or does not wind up having severely negative consequences, then you've also got nothing to worry about.
You're going to be fine (read: dead) in the end either way, and it's doubtful you'll be able to affect change on a global scale within the course of your lifetime, so why not focus your energy and emotions on something you might enjoy instead?
It seems ridiculous to me that people get so worked up about this shit.
It's a waste of life.
Well, look at George Carlin above... We can't do anything about it. It's EVOLUTION.
US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life'
I don't give a shit about the environment, the planet, or Mother Nature or whatever. I like my house, and I don't like getting mauled by bears or being bitten by insects. My top 50 vacations would not include one 'Nature Trip'. So I really don't give a fuck about greenness.
I do give a fuck about our survival as a species which happens to depend on the balance in the environment.
Green energy is possible, and it's happening in most developing countries. It won't require a shift in people's habits. I'm not saying "use less energy", I'm just saying "support developing green energy so you can use as much as you want in the future".
We should want "green" energy because its clean, well designed and efficient. No other reason should be required.
I want a highly efficient solar panel powering my house and charging my highly efficient AC electric motor driven car. Its clean, it's simple and it's beautiful. Off the grid, zero emissions.
Compared to fighting wars so we can start digging oil out of the ground of a 3rd world country or from kilometres under the ocean, occassionally poisoning the location too, shipping it to a refinery, refining it, shipping it across the ocean on a massive boat, truck it from distributor to distributor to distributor wasting fuel all along the supply chain to a petrol station where I have to drive using more fuel so I can fill up a tank and pay through the nose for it. I then proceed to burn it inefficiently releasing toxins and gases into the air so I can drive to mcdonalds and finally buy my cheeseburger.
On what fucking dumbass planet do you have to be on to not only prefer the latter but argue for it? oh wait, EARTH.
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I want a highly efficient solar panel powering my house and charging my highly efficient AC electric motor driven car. Its clean, it's simple and it's beautiful. Off the grid, zero emissions.
Compared to fighting wars so we can start digging oil out of the ground of a 3rd world country or from kilometres under the ocean, occassionally poisoning the location too, shipping it to a refinery, refining it, shipping it across the ocean on a massive boat, truck it from distributor to distributor to distributor wasting fuel all along the supply chain to a petrol station where I have to drive using more fuel so I can fill up a tank and pay through the nose for it. I then proceed to burn it inefficiently releasing toxins and gases into the air so I can drive to mcdonalds and finally buy my cheeseburger.
On what fucking dumbass planet do you have to be on to not only prefer the latter but argue for it? oh wait, EARTH.
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But you know that creating those things cost money and process of production/utilization isn't that "green" as you think?
Why?
You and everyone you know will be dead, gone, and forgotten in 1000 years.
Being attached to the idea of the human species surviving is as silly as being attached to the idea that %COUNTRY% is the "greatest nation on earth".
It's a silly, egotistical notion that human beings "need" to persist.
You're forunate enough to have stumbled into consciousness now, don't fucking waste it by worrying about things you'll never be able to see.
We are experiencing now a "smile of the history"... Besides that we are already dead (as a specie).
fftopic:The weather here in Traverse city is nice!
Lol ok, this is getting into a philosophical dimension now. Let's say this then: If you do care about the survival of the human species, we should do something about the environment because we're fucking it up. Right?
I totally get the "why should I care we're all gonna die anyway" point of view and I agree to some extent, too. Just one thing, though. As you said we're "fortunate enough to have stumbled into consciousness". This wouldn't have happened if our ancestors did not care about the survival of our species.
Our ancestors cared about finding food, and fucking, and that's why we're here.
If you think the Koyoto protocol is likely to measurably affect your ability to do either of those things within your lifetime in any way, you're out of your mind.
Good point. You are a master of catching people in logical quagmires.
Perhaps, I assumed to much of you when I wrote it. Maybe if you had done the intellectual work of attempting to understand context, you would have seen that what I wrote regarding "credentialed oracles" was in reference to a person with expertise in one subject matter being given special authority to speak expertly on matters in a different subject area.
So, for example, while 10k people with PhDs may have signed the petition being discussed above, their credential means almost nothing. A PhD in what? If they are all PhDs in ethnomusicology, I'm certain you would agree, they are not qualified to speak on matters of climate with any reasonable authority.
If you had bothered to pick up the book (or even quickly read a summary of it), read the wiki that I was referencing in my quote, or even tried a little to do an intellectual somersault to understand the context of my statement, the meaning would have been obvious. Examples of such oracles might include generally unqualified artists waxing eloquent about political matters. Their status as an oracle comes from their fame rather than any actual knowledge of the subject. The example that Sowell gives is of Noam Chomsky discussing foreign policy despite his expertise being in linguistics. His status as an oracle comes from his PhD and association with MIT. There are lots of examples that could be added to this list. But I hope this is enough. Have you anymore tautological arguments, Catch 22s, or logical fallacies to point out or are you simply going to reply with something unthoughtfully snide? Apart from deducing simple context, my friend, I can also teach you to wipe your bum if that is an adult skill you have forgotten to acquire.
Of course the manufacturing process on any electronics isn't "green". But neither is digging coal or oil out of the ground and transporting it, refining it, etc. Once you've burned that fuel, it's gone.
In the long run, the solar panel is going to be a greener option.