Colorado Readies For Recreational Marijuana
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Don't be purposefully dense. It's just stupid and a waste of everyone's time. Doesn't strengthen your argument. Trying to point out fallacies in my appeal to authority IN THE FIELD that we are talking about is also dumb. This isn't a debate, there is no audience watching you.
What I said absolutely logically follows and was my dispute, and is biological fact. It doesn't matter what is more or less addictive than certain cannabinoids. The truth remains that some do create a physical dependency, and in some people it's god awful. In some people, it's seemingly non-existent.
A refusal to accept reality doesn't make it go away. It just leaves you in darkness.
I also think marijuana should be legalized and adults should be left to decide how it detracts or contributes to their lives and use it accordingly.
A lot of my friends used to smoke tons of weed(and some still do).
They agree its psychologically addictive. One of my best friends used to be a daily pot smoker but he never smokes now. He says marijuana definitely has addictive properties.
While I agree Marijuana should be legalized, we shouldn't ignore the potential harms of marijuana. For a lot of people, it makes them lazy as hell. I've seen this in countless people. Sure some people don't get addicted, but a good amount use it far more than they should.
They agree its psychologically addictive. One of my best friends used to be a daily pot smoker but he never smokes now. He says marijuana definitely has addictive properties.
While I agree Marijuana should be legalized, we shouldn't ignore the potential harms of marijuana. For a lot of people, it makes them lazy as hell. I've seen this in countless people. Sure some people don't get addicted, but a good amount use it far more than they should.
There will be a lot more of this happening in Colorado
Really just needed an excuse to post a centipede attacking a snake. Nothing to do with weed.
...wtf man
I love the people that say smoking weed isn't bad for your health. You're inhaling a foreign substance into your lungs. I have no doubt cigarettes are worse for you, but don't act like smoking weed is analogous to a deep breath of fresh mountain air. And I'm sure it's a coincidence that all of the long term weed smokers I grew up with are lazy fucks with memory problems.
That being said, drug laws are fucking retarded.
That being said, drug laws are fucking retarded.
Not if it's compressed Mexican dirt schwag. Then it's just about the size of a Buick.
If you smoke once in a while it won't hurt you for sure. I can't name a single person in my entire lifetime that I've seen struggling with cannabis addiction or has died as a result of it. The minute you decide to stop, it's over with, far from the withdrawal symptoms and struggle alcoholics and cigarette smokers experience.
A bit unrelated to the matter at hand, but this is a really good quote:
“Despite spectacular success in research, our global scientific community has been nothing short of a spectacular failure when it comes to educating the public. Haitians burned twelve “witches” in 2010. In the United States, recent polls show that 39 percent consider astrology scientific and 40 percent believe that our human species is less than ten thousand years old. […] The core of a scientific lifestyle is to change your mind when faced with information that disagrees with your views, avoiding intellectual inertia, yet many of us praise leaders who stubbornly stick to their views as “strong.” Richard Feynman hailed “distrust of experts” as a cornerstone of science, yet herd mentality and blind faith in authority figures is widespread. Logic forms the basis of scientific reasoning, yet wishful thinking, irrational fears, and other cognitive biases often dominate decisions.”
—Max Tegmark, physicist, MIT. Researcher, scientific director of Foundational Questions Institute
Societies can prosper without prosecuting people for non violent crimes, I don't even have to evoke holland here.
A bit unrelated to the matter at hand, but this is a really good quote:
“Despite spectacular success in research, our global scientific community has been nothing short of a spectacular failure when it comes to educating the public. Haitians burned twelve “witches” in 2010. In the United States, recent polls show that 39 percent consider astrology scientific and 40 percent believe that our human species is less than ten thousand years old. […] The core of a scientific lifestyle is to change your mind when faced with information that disagrees with your views, avoiding intellectual inertia, yet many of us praise leaders who stubbornly stick to their views as “strong.” Richard Feynman hailed “distrust of experts” as a cornerstone of science, yet herd mentality and blind faith in authority figures is widespread. Logic forms the basis of scientific reasoning, yet wishful thinking, irrational fears, and other cognitive biases often dominate decisions.”
—Max Tegmark, physicist, MIT. Researcher, scientific director of Foundational Questions Institute
Societies can prosper without prosecuting people for non violent crimes, I don't even have to evoke holland here.
People just need to be better educated. I know lots of people that take drugs that don't know much about them, because they were never taught properly about them throughout their education. You're given a whole "drugs are bad and if you take drugs you will die" speech over and over again, but never given an objective view because it could be viewed as "encouraging drug use".
People then go out into the real world and see people who are taking drugs and not dying, and think "hey, school lied, so everything they told me about drugs is wrong!" and take whatever they want in an uninformed way.
Then there's the stupid classification system we have in the UK (Class C, Class B, Class A) which doesn't correlate with individual or societal harm what-so-ever. You have MDMA & LSD as class A's sitting alongside crack, meth and heroin. The message that sends to people is "oh I've tried MDMA and I'm not addicted to that -- perhaps the others aren't so bad". People in the UK have been fired for stating scientific facts.
Much of the world's drug laws are the most abhorrent modern examples of politics and/or religion getting in the way of scientific progress we have. So many drugs have so many potential medical applications, and yet will never have the opportunity to be tested due to the law. Likewise, we have this huge case study of prohibition in the USA 90-odd years ago, saw how that panned out, and have pretty much exactly the same going on in the drug trade today yet refuse to (as nations) admit that it doesn't work.
How is this documentary in any way related to what's going on in Colorado? It's literally nothing to do with it.
You see how they're way ahead. They've already traveled the world for like 20 years searching for good seeds that they can modify and improve, built multi million dollar LEGAL businesses, and don't worry about things like their shops closing down ever. Colorado has some catching up to do.
Nope, we've had mj dispensaries here in CO for years.
In August, the DEA / DOJ posted a letter to CO stating they would allow the state law to proceed with recreational sales. The only exceptions are if criminals run the organizations, or if there is illegal trafficking, then the feds will step in.
Case in point, in November, DEA raided 10+ dispensaries in our area (out of 100s) because they were being funded by a known criminal and trafficking to FLA. Other than that, they left everyone else alone.
Also, our county voted on a 30% tax for mj products, with the proceeds used for schools. Its expected to raise millions.
CO has its shit together.. this isn't just some hippie commune in the mountains.
The proletariat's perception of marijuana legalization: "I get to smoke out whenever and wherever I want. I get to sell and distribute without fear of legal consequences."
Reality: You get to smoke out whenever and wherever your masters decide. You get to sell and distribute within the constraints set by your masters. The terms of those constraints can change at anytime, potentially putting you back in the crosshairs of law enforcement. What's more, you will pay a premium to use, sell, and distribute due to taxation.
In some counties, knuckleheaded voters will ask their masters to allocate the tax revenue to public schools. And said voters will have confidence that all is once again right and just in their world.
lol at marijuana legalization.
Reality: You get to smoke out whenever and wherever your masters decide. You get to sell and distribute within the constraints set by your masters. The terms of those constraints can change at anytime, potentially putting you back in the crosshairs of law enforcement. What's more, you will pay a premium to use, sell, and distribute due to taxation.
In some counties, knuckleheaded voters will ask their masters to allocate the tax revenue to public schools. And said voters will have confidence that all is once again right and just in their world.
lol at marijuana legalization.
That study was done on rats, but even then the study you quoted actually shows that there is no documentation of physical dependance. You'd have to read it and understand it to know, but I did. It did say physical dependanse can happen when using synthetic marijuana, but that is about it.
Those somatic symptoms are not the ones associated with physical dependance.
Show me 1 study where there is physical dependance on HUMANS using NATURAL marijuana and I will change my point of view, admit to being wrong and admit you were right. And psychological addiction does not equal physical dependance, unless you can show me a reputable source to back it up (please don't quote mind-body new age pseudo science unless you want me to puke a little) Of course physicological issues will have physical manifestations, but again, that is not here nor there. You are arguing against specific words, you must use them correctly; there is no physical dependance associated with marijuana, unless you can prove it. You suffering what you perceived to be physical dependance is not exactly... scientific.
Quoting yourself an expert doesn't count as a source.
And yes, excessive marijuana in general is not good for you. Just like beer and wine, and coffee and 99% of all pills aren't good for you. But one thing doesn't equate to the other.
Well it's a business dummie. Why should legal marijana sellers get away with turning a profit and not paying tax when everyone else does?
When you say there's "masters" in control of everything, it doesn't automatically make you the enlightened one. Like the part in that book you're quoting in your signature when sherlock tries to educate watson on how he sees but he doesn't observe, you see the way countries are ran but don't observe the ignorance of the general population which put those people in power in the first place. Laws are merely the product of the awareness levels populations are characterized by.
No-one would dare make any more of them if they weren't assured they could get away with it. So instead of pointing your finger at government, educate the ignorant masses first. Oh, and if you think you can't get away with smoking wherever you want whenever you want, you should visit the netherlands, uk, france, or any place in eastern europe. They give seeds away for free in holland. Heck, north korea legalized it and encourages people to grow their own. I have friends in spain who grow their trees in house, because it's legal. No harassment, no dirty looks over it, it's just plain normal.
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You can always get a vaporizer. Not nearly as bad on your lungs.
Marijuana Vaporizer Provides Same Level Of THC, Fewer Toxins, Study Shows
Get one of these bad boys.
Shit even comes in camo, just in case you want to get high while hunting.
Sorry I don't live on some lawless Lord of the Flies Island where absolute freedom is sacrosanct and currency is eliminated.
Instead I live in functioning society where citizens voted to legalize a federally banned drug for recreational use, and decided to share some of the proceeds with a good cause.
You're probably the type of guy that buys everclear on the black market because he "doesn't want to serve the Anheiser Busch oppresors" amirite?
