Dating Advertisers: Conversion Models?

Anyway statistics are saying almost the same every time so if you buy the same traffic (I mean FB PPC for instance) you will get almost the same revenue month by month and the same accumulations of this revenue. So in conditions the same performing website and the same traffic structure you will get the same ROI. So when I calculate the ROI i always consider the revenue which will come to me in a few month. And it really does.

You can't necessarily count on this - and you can cut out a lot of waste if you look at any mid-to-high volume affiliate on an individual basis. If you have a huge number of affiliates, there will always be exceptions that do significant volume.

I hate to give anyone ideas, but some of the smartest bad affiliates actively mix good leads in with their bad leads to make it appear more legit. After all, if the advertiser sees 90% of the leads coming in with no referrer and the other 10% coming in with something reputable like POF as the referrer, they'll generally assume it's all POF traffic and move on.

There are definitely basic predictive models you can use to get decent results, but 2 affiliates with similar traffic sources can have drastically different quality (particularly if their targeting or creatives are appealing to very different types of users). A modest amount of additional effort can add up to significant savings over time. That's where it helps to monitor certain stats by individual referring affiliates.

Obviously, you get diminishing returns if you take it too far, though...only relatively large affiliates are worthy of the added scrutiny. Also, it's worth flagging someone's leads if you see one particular Prosper202 referring domain coming up with multiple network IDs and a lower volume of leads coming in from each one (some affiliates will send a smaller number of leads across a larger number of networks to try to stay under the radar).
 


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Additional 20% will happen occasionally after a bit longer time, however I must say I'm not interested in anything after 30 days. Customer care and retention team should fight for those.

I hope it's clear now...

Yep, thats clear, I should realise it before. I was surprised because in my experience we get only 25% of conversion in first month. So if I skip the conversion after 1th month I can just cut some profitable affiliates from my offers. If we are talking about targeted FB PPC traffic - ok, its converting pretty fast, but if I am buying banner traffic it really can take 3-4 month before traffic converts.


You can't necessarily count on this - and you can cut out a lot of waste if you look at any mid-to-high volume affiliate on an individual basis. If you have a huge number of affiliates, there will always be exceptions that do significant volume.

I hate to give anyone ideas, but some of the smartest bad affiliates actively mix good leads in with their bad leads to make it appear more legit. After all, if the advertiser sees 90% of the leads coming in with no referrer and the other 10% coming in with something reputable like POF as the referrer, they'll generally assume it's all POF traffic and move on.

There are definitely basic predictive models you can use to get decent results, but 2 affiliates with similar traffic sources can have drastically different quality (particularly if their targeting or creatives are appealing to very different types of users). A modest amount of additional effort can add up to significant savings over time. That's where it helps to monitor certain stats by individual referring affiliates.

Obviously, you get diminishing returns if you take it too far, though...only relatively large affiliates are worthy of the added scrutiny. Also, it's worth flagging someone's leads if you see one particular Prosper202 referring domain coming up with multiple network IDs and a lower volume of leads coming in from each one (some affiliates will send a smaller number of leads across a larger number of networks to try to stay under the radar).

the main point here that this is not really prediction. Say after my calculations I know, that the traffic I have bought should bring me ROI 100% in a trhee monthes. I calculate this on the base of three previous monthes. But in a month I make the calculations again and understand that the traffic will bring me the ROI 100% in 2.5 monthes, so I correct my traffic accumulations coeficients. I do it month by month, so I have pretty much precise numbers. Ofcourse affiliates are mixing uo the traffic, thats doesnt matter, all your calculations are based on previous stats, so if they mix the traffic they probably did it before.
 
the main point here that this is not really prediction. Say after my calculations I know, that the traffic I have bought should bring me ROI 100% in a trhee monthes. I calculate this on the base of three previous monthes. But in a month I make the calculations again and understand that the traffic will bring me the ROI 100% in 2.5 monthes, so I correct my traffic accumulations coeficients. I do it month by month, so I have pretty much precise numbers. Ofcourse affiliates are mixing uo the traffic, thats doesnt matter, all your calculations are based on previous stats, so if they mix the traffic they probably did it before.

I understand what you're saying, and if aggregate data by traffic type is as deep as you want to go, that works just fine. The data is pretty smooth when you look at it all together in groups like that, and fraud/low quality does tend to stay at least a little bit stable.

What I'm talking about is increasing overall efficiency (and by extension, payouts to good, stable affiliates) by going deeper and identifying the non-performing and/or fraudulent affiliates to get them out of the equation to the greatest extent possible. Sometimes it can be done; sometimes it can't.

Suppose you know that affiliates doing media buys on various banner networks are, on average, giving you a positve ROI of xx%. That's great, and you can definitely choose to base your terms and payouts on that average figure without giving it much more thought (and only kicking people out for obvious fraud). However, if you think of each affiliate as a separate asset and evaluate them individually wherever justified by volume, you may be able to cut out the bottom 10%, 20%, whatever. By removing those with the lowest ROI, you've increased your overall ROI for that type of traffic.

So - if you find that the AVERAGE affiliate doing large media buys generates 20% of his payouts in sales during the first month, but you have a couple who are only generating 5% of their payouts in sales...you want to find out a couple things:

1 - Is the difference statistically significant?
2 - Is there anything different about the leads that can help us draw conclusions about the long-term profitability of this affiliate's leads?
3 - Is there anything about the way the affiliate is promoting the offer that's different from other affiliates using similar methods? Can we tell?

Consider a not uncommon scenario - 2 affiliates have a low back-end conversion rate in the first month. Both have similar traffic sources, but one is promoting the service honestly while the other promises free sexy videos and an unlimited free trial (vs. a more typical free trial where certain features are restricted). Also, the second affiliate is using inappropriate imagery the implies a different kind of dating site. Similarly, the second affiliate could be someone sending a mixture of fraud and real leads. The problem, though, is that you often have incomplete information and you don't necessarily KNOW what's going on with the ads, the way leads are generated, etc.

With affiliate 1 (the honest guy), you're likely to see more users creating full profiles, more logins, deeper session depth, etc. With affiliate 2, you're more likely to see a lot of people who log in just once and realize it's not what they had hoped for.

Of course, that's all complicated by the fact that some scammers will actively instruct their fake leads to fill in more than what's required. Sometimes they do a good job of making it look natural, other times they don't. I saw a guy one time who sent more than a thousand leads almost overnight, all using the password "mangoo".

You certainly don't HAVE to scrutinize things this closely, but considering the amount you can gain by removing even the obvious bottom 5% in a given category (BEFORE they run for months and months) can save tens of thousands of dollars or more, it's often worth the effort.
 
You are absolutely right! The point is that all calculations I have talked about before exist for evaluating coefficient revenue change. Then, if I know this coef I just can calculate the ROI for every separately taken affiliate, I do not need to wait for monthes. And I can calculate not just current ROI but calculate when I can get my cost back for every affiliate. On my experience this method works good and as I said you should update this coeficient at least every month to have really usefull results.