Devil made me do it... Vatican says so

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Vatican exorcist: Devil just doing job
"The devil tempts everyone -- people in politics, in economics, in sport. And naturally, he tempts, above all, the religious leaders, so you shouldn't be surprised if the devil tempts those in the Vatican. That's his job."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/16/vatican.exorcist.devil/index.html
Vatican exorcist: Pedophiles tempted by Satan, not possessed
The Rev. Gabriele Amorth isn't speaking metaphorically when he says that. The 85-year-old priest means people can be tempted and literally possessed by Satan.

"It's not my opinion: I'm saying that if you believe in the Gospels, you believe in the existence of the devil, in the devil's power to possess people," he said in an interview with CNN.

The faithful believe "that there are people possessed by the devil, and ... in the power of exorcism to liberate from the devil," he said.

And as the Vatican's chief exorcist, it's his job to expel the devil when someone is possessed. He's performed more than 70,000 exorcisms in his career, he estimates.

But there is a difference between possession -- where the devil takes hold of someone's body and actions -- and temptation, where Satan lures a person into doing evil, he said.

As a child abuse scandal sweeps across Europe, with accusations being made against priests in Ireland, Germany, Austria and the Netherlands, Amorth said the pedophiles are tempted, not possessed.

He has never done an exorcism on a child molester, he said.
"I have carried out exorcisms on some priests who had been molested by the devil," he said, without going into details.

"But cases of pedophilia exorcised, no. ... Pedophiles are not possessed by the devil, they are tempted by the devil," he said.

"They don't need exorcism, they need to be converted, to be converted to God, that's what they need. They need to confess, they need true penitence, true repentance, that's what they need. They're not possessed."

But no one is too strong a believer to be possessed, Amorth said.
"Nothing occurs without the permission of God, and he allows even holy people, even saints, to be possessed by the devil," he said.

But, he added, he sees no evil in the Vatican today:
"I just see good people in the Vatican. People of prayer, holy people, I don't see any evil."
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Who better than the catholic church to blame the incriminating behavior of their members on Satan. :playboy_sml:
 


Actually it seems like he thinks the opposite.
As a child abuse scandal sweeps across Europe, with accusations being made against priests in Ireland, Germany, Austria and the Netherlands, Amorth said the pedophiles are tempted, not possessed.

He has never done an exorcism on a child molester, he said.
"I have carried out exorcisms on some priests who had been molested by the devil," he said, without going into details.

"But cases of pedophilia exorcised, no. ... Pedophiles are not possessed by the devil, they are tempted by the devil," he said.

"They don't need exorcism, they need to be converted, to be converted to God, that's what they need. They need to confess, they need true penitence, true repentance, that's what they need. They're not possessed."
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70,000 exorcisms? And was there a compulsory "donation" for each one? :)

Didn't the Vatican's chief astronomer admit that he believed in aliens and we would one day meet them?
 
SpamHat said:
Didn't the Vatican's chief astronomer admit that he believed in aliens and we would one day meet them?
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What's wrong with this specifically? He also supports evolution and the big bang theory, along with the rest of the catholic church.
 
kblessinggr said:
Erm, where did the catholic church officially support the theory of evolution?
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Erm, they have for decades, and were one of the earliest religious adopters of the theory:

Catholic Church and evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

""In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points....Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies – which was neither planned nor sought – constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory." - John Paul II

"According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5 - 4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution." - Pope Benedict XVI

"Intelligent design isn't science even though it pretends to be. If you want to teach it in schools, intelligent design should be taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science." - Fr. George Coyne, Vatican Chief Astronomer.

"Today, the Church's official position is a fairly non-specific example of theistic evolution."
 
Let me get this straight. There have been children molested by catholic priests? WHO WOULDA THUNK IT!:rolleyes:

reminds me of an old joke. How do you get a nun pregnant? Dress her up as an altar boy!
 
just wanted to point out that 70,000 exorcisms in 85 years is 2.25 exorcisms per day, every day, from the day he was born until the day he gave this interview.

assuming he doesn't do them every day, and didn't start doing exorcisms in diapers, let's say he probably averaged 5 exorcisms per day, 5 days a week, every week for 54 years (since he was 31, which sounds like a good age to start LOSING YOUR SANITY and spending hours a day holding a bible over your head, screaming "SATAN, LEAVE THIS MAN" at every stranger with a bellyache and $20 -- assuming, to his benefit, that he IS insane, and not just a conman who realized what a fantastic scam this is)

now, that said, would you expect ANYONE who does ANYTHING 5 times a day, for 53 years, to tell you ANYTHING other than "what i am doing is important and you should care more about it"??? i mean, someone who's been making turd flavored smoothies 5 times a day, for 53 years, as an occupation, would have some extremely compelling arguments that their smoothies SAVE LIVES.
 
You know what really grinds my gears:
why do people get up on catholic priests for being molesters so much?
are ALL molesters catholic priests? no.
 
mattfca said:
You know what really grinds my gears:
why do people get up on catholic priests for being molesters so much?
are ALL molesters catholic priests? no.
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This. ^

Dont see anything that that priest said as ignorant. Even though he has a different view from most and the whole interview scene makes the priest sound corny but his talk was legit. He basically said a child molester is not possed by the devil and that they are simply fucked up people that need to change.

Is that crazy talk? no. a molester is a molester because he is fucked up and disturbed.

Now I dont probably dont know shit about religion but, what grinds my ears is seeing ignorant people accuse religion and judge religions for individual's actions.
 
So what was God doing exactly when all of this child molestation, devil-inspired or otherwise, was going on?

Planning earthquakes in poor countries perhaps?
 
mattfca said:
You know what really grinds my gears:
why do people get up on catholic priests for being molesters so much?
are ALL molesters catholic priests? no.
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Well one reason might be because of the Holier than Thou bullshit that these moronic fucks preach day and night.
 
mattfca said:
You know what really grinds my gears:
why do people get up on catholic priests for being molesters so much?
are ALL molesters catholic priests? no.
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What grinds my gears is that religion even plays a part according to them. Man is fallible, they will need to face the charges like anyone else, not just be hushed away into another district or something.

BluuueJammm said:
Well one reason might be because of the Holier than Thou bullshit that these moronic fucks preach day and night.
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Exactly, kind of the same reason why we'd get our panties in a bunch if we learned our police department was snorting all the evidence, but wouldn't really bat an eye if some unemployed crackhead was snorting it. The closer one gets to being a hypocrite the more noise is made.
 
mattfca said:
You know what really grinds my gears:
why do people get up on catholic priests for being molesters so much?
are ALL molesters catholic priests? no.
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Because they are priests and the whole church and good chunks of society want to make us believe priests are better, holier, Christian people.

For those who believe that bullshit, giving their kids to a priest is easy to do. Nowhere is the kid deemed to be safer than with a priest or in a catholic school.

The priests are using that trust imbedded into them by the sheeple who follow them to molest kids left and right.

Yes, left and right. There are several countries right now with huge child molestation cases by catholic priests.

The US, Ireland, Germany and Switzerland just from the top of my head.

And now one of those fuckers comes forward and tells us "the devil seduced these poor priests" and all they need is "true repentance"?

I can tell you whose kids are never going to a church in their life.

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emp said:
Because they are priests and the whole church and good chunks of society want to make us believe priests are better, holier, Christian people.

For those who believe that bullshit, giving their kids to a priest is easy to do. Nowhere is the kid deemed to be safer than with a priest or in a catholic school.

The priests are using that trust imbedded into them by the sheeple who follow them to molest kids left and right.

Yes, left and right. There are several countries right now with huge child molestation cases by catholic priests.

The US, Ireland, Germany and Switzerland just from the top of my head.

And now one of those fuckers comes forward and tells us "the devil seduced these poor priests" and all they need is "true repentance"?

I can tell you whose kids are never going to a church in their life.

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Really there are sick people of every faith or lack thereof, it's a bigger scandal because of how the Vatican originally handled it, imo. There have been preachers of protestant groups, Rabbis, etc caught doing the same thing, or similar.

Give a kid all the options and let them make their own religious choices later in life.
 
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