Does Anyone Know What's REALLY Happening in Libya?

Syria, Iran, Palestine, heed the needs and desires of your citizens. Let the people decide their future.

Yeah! or else we'll start bombing you too!

If we are so concerned with human rights and freedom for all, what about the rest of Africa? There are tons of people living under oppressive warlords and dictators, who are starving and live in terrible conditions, and yet nobody gives a fuck about them...why? Because there isn't money to be made or power to be gained.
 


There are tons of people living under oppressive warlords and dictators, who are starving

I'm with you. Rise up and remove the oppressors! Just like Libya. Goons like Gadaffi must go.

People, choose your destiny, the desire for freedom of oppression is very strong.
 
you all are so god dam dumb. You prolly never heard of libya before any of this shit.

USA, home of 2% intelligence, 98% utter fucking stupidity.
 
My guess is that there are only a few of us on this forum who were born in Africa, or who have even been there. That doesn't mean non-Africans are stupid (not at all), just that their perspective can often be warped by Bush/Obama bombing habits...
 
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Off the top of my head here's what's going on in Libya more or less.

BigWill nailed Gaddafi's domestic policies. This has taken Libya from the poorest to the richest country in Africa since he staged his coup. Not to mention they're armed to the teeth. Good thing too, otherwise Tripoli would probably look like Baghdad right now. Qaddafi follows in the Nassarist tradition of secular, pan-arab leaders in the region, many of whom have contended with cia/mi6/dgse/etc. meddling over the years.

Much of Qaddafi-supporting Libya had phds pouring out of it, burgeoning middle class, crazy influx of educated profesionals from all over the world coming to Tripoli in the last decade. Grew into a developing modern state as fast or faster than Iraq, which also had crazy education, middle class, development, industry, blah blah.

Qaddafi undertook the single largest engineering project in the world for several years running, creating an underground river essentially porting water into and throughout Libya with the understandign that neighboring regions are projected to go dry in the coming years. The largest steel pipes on the planet were made in Libya. Not germany, not japan, not the us, but Libya. NATO just bombed this project a couple weeks ago (war crime).

You have to remember that Libya, even the most modern parts of it, has heavy tribal influence, and much of the undeveloped and underdeveloped parts of the country are largely governed by tribal authority inside the larger Libyan governmental apparatus.

You also have to really get it through your head and always keep in mind when considering these things the general idea that successful national states cannot be allowed to exist and thrive in the modern age. The finance oligarchy that runs the world is scared shitless of autonomous governmetns providing wealth and rights to its people. Sets a good example for other countries, gives people smart ideas, gets them interested in things that threaten their full spectrum dominance on the human race. So they take down governments that show signs of promise by acting through their various regional and supernational bodies like the un, nato, world bank, imf, etc.

So some quick history, you've got Robert Gates, the recently retired sec. of def. working under carter and brzezinski during the cold war to create a cia arab legion to fuck with the soviets in that region of the world. That legion of cia stooges was and is called al qaeda, translated as 'the list' or 'teh database'. It was basically a list of militants that the cia could call upon and wave at the soviets and bait them into getting their asses beat in the mountains of afghanistan. It worked pretty well so the cia hung on to them.

Fast forward (past 9/11) to Libya now, you've got a bunch of al qaeda douches in northeast Libya - their number one recruitment region in the world - who are now being sponsored and protected by nato. they call in air strikes to nato, they're getting money, support, diplomatic recognition from uberdouches like hillary clinton and john mccain. Darna and Bengazi, both in the no fly zone and rebel strongholds, are in the top four cities of al qaeda recruitment worldwide.

There's this group of rebels, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, they have now basically declared themselves a branch of al qaeda. They're a bunch of religious bozos who say that Qaddafi is a heretic or something. They're a bunch of religious douchebags who would rather see Libya stay home to backward islamic nomads than develop into an economically viable state. They're getting cia and other intel support.

A lot of the rebels are also tribal fanatics who don't give a shit about democracy or justice but they are very racist and do want to carry out tribal vendettas. What you haven't seen much of in the news are reports of countles thousands of murders by these heroes of democracy being armed by nato. Murdering black Africans, killing kids, killing children, raping, the usual cia stuff (war crimes).

To the extent that there are legitimate people opposed to Gaddafi, they are in substantial part disgruntled people who had jobs pre-2003 before Gaddafi in the face of imperialism in iraq/afgan/pakistan/etc. and in the hopes of being skipped on the hitlist, conceded a shit ton of his national industry to the imf who of course liquidated it, increasing unemployment. There's other stuff there too including some bad blood btw gaddafi's people and rival tribes that goes back into regional history.

Then you've got NATO strafing and bombing fishing boats off the shores of Tripoli, trying to starve out the city and weaken its resolve. That's been happening for a couple months now (war crime).

China and Russia did not veto the UN Security Council resolution to attack Libya which blows. A lot of the smaller countries that went along with the attack, at least at first, would not be able to do it without the UN resolution in place because their populations actually pay attention. Putin did say after the fact that the attack reminds him of a medieval crusade. He also said that the goal of the attack is the systematic destruction of Libya's infrastructure (war crime). Hmm.

Factions in the french and italian government, mostly the leftovers from WWII era fascism, are particularly keen on subverting Libya because they had and continue to have vested interests there.

Recently there's been the assassination of the rebel leader Younis, most likely by Hifter or some other cia group. By the way the rebel leader Hifter literally is a cia agent, hung out in DC, etc. The rebellion literally is a cia coup right out in the open.

Then there's also the whole Guantanamo sheep dip cycle where nato just openly supports terrorist stooges in one theater who they were fighting against in another theater. There's a guy Hasadi who is a proud al qaeda leader who is running rebels out of Bengazi. He was killing GIs in Afganistan and then was a pow for a while, now he's good to go as a al qaeda savior of democracy in Eastern Libya. This is just one of many people like this. Basically al qaeda fighters are 'captured' and hauled out of theaters like afganistan and iraq by intelligence spooks and sent to stooge school in cia prisons, and then redeployed in places like Libya and other targets of interest. Makes for good storytelling in the press. There's been a good bit of that happening too.

There's a bunch more crazy stuff too.

Big problem with all this Libya stuff is that Qaddafi has proven to be way more popular than expected among his people, they haven't been able to kill him, the rebels have been too busy killing each other to work together and do what the cia wants, and nato states have been losing interest. And now it's exposed the the cia-sponsored 'Arab Spring' bullshit facade in plain sight for everyone to see. There are other countries on the list that are now way behind schedule. Tunisia, Egypt, then it was supposed to be Libya, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Saudi, etc. Nato's bummin right now.

Other thing to mention which is not good is that Marines and SF have been told a Libya ground invasion is a possibility. Let's hope not.
 
For those who are defending gaddafi and saying Libya was the most developed country in Africa and got internet but choose not to use it and women can vote, may I know your sources because this is just bullshit.
Yes Libya is a rich country but not developed, men and women had the right to vote but there were never a real fair elections and yes they got internet but all social networks are blocked as well as many internet sites (and not just blocked after the protest no it was always blocked)
 
It doesn't really matter what Libya was before or what NATO's secret ultimate purpose is. Gaddafi is a dog and he needs to hang. As do all dictators. The whole middle east is a poor shithole with primitive and tribal people, so we will probably see a tribal war in Libya now. But ultimately, this is probably for the better.
 
Gadaffi and his cronies were extremely wealthy. They controlled the wealth of the country, stealing from the nation for their own benefit.

He ran his country with an iron fist, as though it were his own property. People who did not bow to him were brutally oppressed. If you belonged to the wrong tribe, it was a cruel existence.

If he knew how to run a decent country, there would be an easy transition to new rulers, and the aspirations of the people would be respected. Instead he was a brutal despot, doling our favors to those who kissed his feet.

Freedom and justice for the people of Libya!

Well you need to stop watching fox news.
Dont believe what the big media corporations tell you, Gaddafi was a threat to certain bid timers...as he wanted to get rid of toilet paper money and bring the world back to gold coin standard.

The banking cartels cant allow that, and im sure you might know who owns US and other Euro countries.

The banking cartels do!
 
It doesn't really matter what Libya was before or what NATO's secret ultimate purpose is. Gaddafi is a dog and he needs to hang. As do all dictators. The whole middle east is a poor shithole with primitive and tribal people, so we will probably see a tribal war in Libya now. But ultimately, this is probably for the better.

Have you ever been to Middle east?

Are you from US? If so do you think your country is a free country and has no dictators?

My friend all the countries in the world have dictators, it's just that in some countries its a little subtle and not really in your face.
 
The banking cartels cant allow that, and im sure you might know who owns US and other Euro countries.

China does!

(Ignore the conspiracy theory behind the curtain)

China loved Gadaffi almost as much as some of the posters here.
 
@MSTeacher: Quite a story; but you left out one key detail: Who the fuck is the ultimate bad guy? Don't just say "NATO did this and the US did that..." Who's calling the shots in your humble opinion?


The whole middle east is a poor shithole with primitive and tribal people, so we will probably see a tribal war in Libya now. But ultimately, this is probably for the better.
Libya had some damn educated people... Universities like or better than Harvard were there, at least used to be, who knows if they're on fire or not right now...

And the Entire middle east isn't as primitive as you say; Isreal is where a shitload of Nobel Prize winners are from & live today. The standard of living there is very similar to America... If you can dodge a few RPG attacks from the Hamas...

Basically the Qu'ran is what's keeping the rest of that whole part of the world a shithole as you say. I'd be interested to hear (as if there are any official, un-tampered facts on the subject) of how many Islamic are in Libya. Wikipedia says that "the vast majority" of Libyans are Sunni Islamic though, so I'd imagine many of them do live in the countryside there and the well-educated folk lived in the big cities only. (Or abroad.)
 
@MSTeacher: Quite a story; but you left out one key detail: Who the fuck is the ultimate bad guy? Don't just say "NATO did this and the US did that..." Who's calling the shots in your humble opinion?

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List of Bilderberg participants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Bilderberg participants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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And some other people who aren't as public.

Wikipedia says that "the vast majority" of Libyans are Sunni Islamic though, so I'd imagine many of them do live in the countryside there and the well-educated folk lived in the big cities only. (Or abroad.)
Remember too that the statistic likely intends to recognize people who identify in some way with the religion, just like so many people identify with christianity in some vague or nebulous way in christian nations. There are likely plenty of secular people included in that sweeping statement by wikipoop.
 
Guys the truth is most likely somewhere in between what cnn and Ghaddafi are pushing. It's never as simple as a good and bad guys.

For those of you cnn, bbc & fox followers google "libyan rebels behead libyan soldier", kinda goes against the innocent people fighting the big bad dictator story mainstream media is feeding us.
 
Another dictator down is always good to me.

The only people that are pissed off at this decision are American tax-payers? I guess I would be too.

but think about the long-term.

USD won't be devalued, and more oil for USA, the #1 country in the world. ;)