Don't Hire Tyler Lemieux For Coding Jobs

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I don't usually go out of my way to give negative reviews, but after having arguably the worst outsourcing experience in my life, I felt it necessary. The bottom line - don't hire Tyler Lemieux for any coding jobs.

Almost a month ago, I contacted Tyler about designing a Wordpress Theme for me. He agreed, we agreed on a price and I was excited. Then he fell off the face of the earth. In his almost two week absence, I was forced to find another designer. I found WF member Symptic who did an AMAZING job on my theme and I couldn't be more happy.

Now I've got a WP Theme designed and I need it coded. Up pops Tyler wondering when I want to start with my theme design. "Ummmm... you disappeared and wouldn't respond to AIMs, PMs and E-mails so I had somebody else do it." He apologized and was apparently addicted to WoW for 2 weeks and wanted to code the theme because he needed some money.

Fine. We agreed on a price and tentative timeline and it began. It started off alright, until he disappeared for two days and then popped back up ready to finish the job. Unfortunately, he COULDN'T finish the job and alignment between FF and IE was completely fubarred. He would have to pay someone else to fix the problem. Great. Had I known that I would have just hired the person who could actually do the work to DO THE WORK.

He told me he found someone... a WF member who I know well who I won't mention... and that they would be fixing the problems. I contacted them and they said it might be a week or two before they could get to it, they were busy. I asked Tyler what was up and he said he would find someone else.

While I tried to find someone else, Tyler AIMed me again saying the WF Member said he would do it. I contacted them again with a WTF response. Okay, this is getting really annoying.

After hours of back and forth bullshit, I gave up for the day/night. The next day Tyler AIMed me saying he was on AIM with a developer who was fixing the problem that very instant. He asked me, LIVE, to tell him other problems I wanted fixed. There were quite a few things that needed fixing.

One of the SIMPLE things that needed fixing was that I wanted my index page to neatly display excerpts as he currently had it displaying full posts. The response I got was basically, "you can do that yourself in WP admin settings." Ummm yeah but I want to make sure it looks good and I'm paying you to do it, dude. I told him all he needed to do is change the_content to the_excerpt in the loop. He said I was wrong over and over until he realized it worked. Ummmm who is paying who here? If you don't know that and you're trying to do WP coding jobs you have a serious problem.

He clearly meant to AIM the developer a series of 4 or 5 condescending sentences but ACCIDENTALLY SENT THEM TO ME. They basically said, "the client is being a prick and wants the excerpt changed. he is a lazy bastard can you please change that?"

I responded back with, "wrong AIM?" He tried to pass it off as a joke, saying he meant to type it to me. The way it was typed, it didn't even make sense as a joke and even if it was, it wasn't very funny.

I woke up in the morning to some severe WF drama - the coder hijacked Tyler's hosting and removed all of the content. Wonderful. That got fixed up and all I wanted was my damned theme after all this bullshit.

Tyler sent me the theme files and I tested them on a blog. The widgets didn't work. What was in the sidebar was hardcoded and any widgets I added displayed without any CSS. I asked Tyler what was up with that and he sent me back a link to a wordpress.org article explaining how to fix it. Basically, this was a "fix it yourself" kind of thing.

I hadn't even paid Tyler yet. I shared the theme with the OTHER WF member who initially was going to fix the theme and he said the coding/css was pretty much disgusting. When he could tell I was pissed, Tyler offered to fix the widget code but I had simply had enough. I wanted to be done with him. I paid him for a half-assed, half done job from a non-coder attempting a coding job.

Had the job been done poorly but there was good communication, I wouldn't be posting this negative review. If there was no communication but I got a good product at the end, I wouldn't be posting it either. But my experience with Tyler was the worst possible combination of a poor final product and complete neglect of client communication that I felt compelled to share my experience here.

I've had Tyler do some design work for me in the past and it has been good. In these cases, he was online and I said how much for XYZ, I paid him and he delivered within an hour or so. While he is a good designer, I would be reluctant to contact him for any in-depth job I actually cared about cause there is no telling when I would hear from him.

I feel bad about posting this... I think Tyler meant well but just got in over his head. And when the project was going sour, rather than stepping up to the plate and handling business, his age really showed with interactions that reeked of High School. I'm all for fun, games and dicking around, but not amidst a huge meltdown in results of a paid project.

Poor results. Poor communication. No accountability.

I already have a limited budget and now I'm out couple hundred dollars with a WP Theme I'll probably have to have recoded anyways. Worse than paying for a product that didn't deliver is the many hours wasted. In the end, I paid money to have my time wasted.

Perhaps the worst part of this whole thing is that after the meltdown already occurred, Tyler was already responding to a post on WF asking about HTML/XHTML/CSS coders... while he was busy completely not knowing how in the fuck to complete my job which he was in the process of outsourcing to someone who also didn't know how to do it.

Sorry Tyler, it's all true. I would still trust Tyler to do some small design work in the future, but there has been a HUGE loss of trust. And as the title states... never, ever hire Tyler to do coding work unless you want him to outsource it to someone else who sucks just as badly.
 
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Fuck dude. I hope he responds to this thread - it would be funny to hear what he has to say.
 
I told him I would make this post even before I paid him. He acknowledged he fucked up, although didn't seem too apologetic until after the fact.

Like I said, I don't think Tyler is a bad person. He is a good designer, bad coderl, and ultimately just a high schooler whose immaturity gets in the way of delivering the goods.

He can either take this negative review, look in the mirror and realize he is completely fucking up a great opportunity or continue to under deliver, under perform and eventually make his way into a cubicle. He has a lot of potential, but reputation is everything and he can't afford to keep going down the path he currently is going.
 
harsho. not so much for Tyler but for implicating the person who did the outsourced work. unless you know what communication the outsource agent was receiving, it's hard to say whether they knew what they were doing or not (unless their code looks like complete garbage). was the request being adequately relayed to them or not... whatever. sucks that it didn't work out.
 
i would have nominated the outsourced coder for WF douche of the year but decided it was better to forget he existed. Trust me when I say the criticism is well deserved.

But I've said all I wanted to... Tyler can responds if he wants... I'll stay out of the rest of this thread. It wasn't really meant for debate/discussion so much as for a wake up call to Tyler.
 
It's shame he pushed you to this point considering the review you gave him back in Sept.

The evil side of me is thankful for having competition so inept at being respectful of their clients; Makes my job so much easier.
 
Jeesus, cant believe you have that much of patience. I would have told him to fuck off and not deal with him. You guys are too nice.
 
That's hilarious about the wrong IM. I've done that before where I've attempted to text one of my friends about some chick and then retardedly sent it to that chick instead. Of course, it's a lot easier to play it off with a girl.
 
It is a shame that he has this habit of promising and never-delivering considering that he has awesome design skills. =(
 
I do take responsibility for the project-gone-bad, and I don't plan on taking any coding projects until I can get a lot better at coding. There's some discrepancies I'd bring out but I'm not looking to get defensive, as this was, more or less, my fault. I sincerely do apologize for the time wasted on this project. However:

outsource it to someone else who sucks just as badly.

That was completely unnecessary. The coder that I hired fixed nearly 250 validation errors and corrected all errors I'd made (yeah, 250 errors, pretty bad hah), and the site displayed correctly in all browsers. His coding was far from bad, he merely forgot to widgetize the theme properly, which definitely wasn't out of his ability to do. Just trying to look out for the guy, after the whole thread about defacing my portfolio he doesn't need anymore heat.

The communication was actually pretty decent throughout the project in my opinion. I did get frustrated at times (just as frustrated as Rob, maybe more so) and saying a few things I shouldn't have, through dealing with other coders that would tell me they can do it at one minute, couldn't the next, completely recoding the entire theme without notice or any necessity at all, payment concerns between the whole group, having my site messed with, and more. Rob was for the most part always informed of what was going on, as confusing as the whole outsourcing situation was at times, I did tell him what was happening and tried to get things sorted out as quickly as I could. Finding someone to fix up alignment issues isn't as easy as it sounds. The outsourcing also paid for out of my own pocket because I wanted to get the project done, I was looking to get you a good product.

On the 'good product' note, the final product worked properly, validated, and the only thing missing was styling on widgets. I'm not completely sure why you'd get it coded from scratch again.

Thankfully, Rob was really patient throughout the whole ordeal, more patient than anyone could really hope for in a client. I completely understand where he's coming from and I'm not going to say that any of this is over the top or anything. I'd be pretty pissed with this whole thing as well. Actually, come to think of it, I am!

Again, I apologize for the bad experience. Hope you accept it. I don't plan on taking any coding jobs until I get better, and my coding was the root of the problem in this whole clusterfuck of a situation.

I hope that this doesn't affect my business as a designer. This job was outside of my normal field and I shouldn't have taken this project on. I've also quit WoW and gotten rid of my account and anything to do with the game :P If there were ever any problems with clients, that game was usually the problem, problem solved. As Rob mentioned before, we've had good transactions in the past that were all design-related. I've had my past, and it's just that -- a past. Three years or more back when I was 15, insanely hard to get a hold of and wasn't very vocal about where I was. I've had nothing but good reviews since then and that's not changing. All the best.
 
I gotta agree when it comes to design Tyler is the man. I msg him whenever I need something and he usually has it back to me within an hour or two. In fact tonight I just had him help me with the design and logo for GadgetGeekBlog.com
I think it turned out great.

Coding + design skills are a tough combination. It's gold if you got 'em both, but if you don't you shouldn't advertise the latter. Hopefully he'll take some time and up his skills in coding. It'll make his job a lot easier than having to hack n check everything.
 
I haven't worked with Tyler, and not going to take sides, but I sympathize with the OP and his problems with coders in general. They are, for the most part, very difficult to deal with for several reasons.

They tend to chase after new assignments while yours is unfinished, and take on more than they can handle.

They tend to say yes to jobs they don't know how to complete, figuring they could wing it if it pays well. If they don't know what they're doing, they won't necessarily tell you, so you have to figure this out for yourself.

Once a job is complete and there are problems, it's far less glamorous to the coder to go back and fix things if there's no more cash to be made. If they did a crappy job, it's YOUR job to find somebody who can fix it. Money back guarantee? Yeah, right.

Coders are oftentimes inaccessible by design, indifference, online gaming, drugs, late night hours and reluctance to admit they don't know how to do the job.

Deadlines are only theoretical, and sometimes you usually have to beg, bribe, and scream like a banshee to get them to complete the assignment.

Indian and Pakistani coders are not necessarily better or cheaper. They can be harder to work with when they can't understand your language.

Coders don't have a minimum standard to maintain, so working with them is risky and frustrating. I have never worked with a coder or designer who did not frustrate me at least a little. Mostly they frustrate me a lot.
 
I haven't worked with Tyler, and not going to take sides, but I sympathize with the OP and his problems with coders in general. They are, for the most part, very difficult to deal with for several reasons.

They tend to chase after new assignments while yours is unfinished, and take on more than they can handle.

They tend to say yes to jobs they don't know how to complete, figuring they could wing it if it pays well. If they don't know what they're doing, they won't necessarily tell you, so you have to figure this out for yourself.

Once a job is complete and there are problems, it's far less glamorous to the coder to go back and fix things if there's no more cash to be made. If they did a crappy job, it's YOUR job to find somebody who can fix it. Money back guarantee? Yeah, right.

Coders are oftentimes inaccessible by design, indifference, online gaming, drugs, late night hours and reluctance to admit they don't know how to do the job.

Deadlines are only theoretical, and sometimes you usually have to beg, bribe, and scream like a banshee to get them to complete the assignment.

Indian and Pakistani coders are not necessarily better or cheaper. They can be harder to work with when they can't understand your language.

Coders don't have a minimum standard to maintain, so working with them is risky and frustrating. I have never worked with a coder or designer who did not frustrate me at least a little. Mostly they frustrate me a lot.

I have to say some people don't really understand what goes on in a coders head. Yes coders like to take on projects they may not be able to handle, but hell some times you just don't really know until you get deep into it, it would cost a hell of a lot extra to have me sit around and try and figure out exactly how I was going to do something sometimes. Not knowing exactly is part of being a coder, and if your a versatile coder who covers several languages and platforms, well damn, shit can hit the fan. There's nothing like getting deep into a project and hitting a wall, you can't figure out why some code doesn't work, or the best way to pull something off. It happens to the best of us, that there could blow a day for a coder. There's also nothing worse than somebody riding your ass trying to get you to hit some kind of near impossible deadline, whether you want to think your deadline is reasonable or not. We want to make as much money as we can, it's not like we want a deadline to slip.

Non coders usually don't know how to effectively communicate to the coder, which also ends up causing havoc because the coder thought they needed something different.

My overall point, if your frustrated with a coder, he's probably feeling the same thing back. I'm not trying to defend accused coder, just some things to think about.
 
10% of the work is 90% of the development. the other 90% of the work is 10% of the development.
 
Wow glad I can do both sides to complete a wordpress site (graphic as coding). I can admire h**p://www.xhtmlmaster.com if it comes to code a psd into valid, yes valid xhtml code in hours (I got once a psd coded in about 2hours). He charges about 70$ for one coded site which is really not that much as you can simply implement it in your wp theme (you don't need subpages coded, do you?)...

If you're at least a bit familiar how wp themes work you can take his code and simply copy&paste it into your theme files and completing the css also.

@Taylor: I hope you have learned your lesson and stay strictly to your skills. I have seen to many guys like you who simply take jobs away which others people really could use because they need the $$. Even if you're outsourcing the coding stuff YOU're responsible that the job is done (trust me I am doing this for quite some time now). No excuses if the coder doesn't do his job - its not your customers fault...
 
My overall point, if your frustrated with a coder, he's probably feeling the same thing back. I'm not trying to defend accused coder, just some things to think about.
Your comments from the perspective of a coder were interesting, and it would be useful if there was more dialog of this kind happening when a project is being developed.

I wasn't talking about any coder in particular in my post, but observed that coders in general seem to have at least one or two of these traits. In all, I have worked with about a dozen coders and designers.
 
Communication is the difference between Software Engineering and Computer Science. That's why I chose the former. If anyone needs some basic coding done or someone to ask questions feel free to AIM me.
 
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