Estate Tax = Outright Theft?

megatabbers

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Does anybody else believe that the estate tax is outright theft by the government? How can such an act be justified?

Someone said it far better than I could ever hope to:

"A tax on the event of your death is the final insult a tyrannical government and a socialist population can bestow."
 


Who cares, you'll be dead anyway?

I don't stress it that much for that reason. But then again I don't have wife and kids yet.

Is it theft? If you consider taxes theft then yes, it is. But there isn't anything you can really do about it (well, actually, estate tax is easily avoidable through trust funds) so there's no point stressing about it.
 
Who cares, you'll be dead anyway?

If you look at it that way, then yes, who cares? But what if you work your ass your entire life, get taxed to the brim throughout that time, and then... you have some money (or anything of value, e.g. land) left over you want to leave to your kids or grandkids - Uncle Sam steps in and takes half of that too.

Because when you look at it this way it doesn't seem like anything BUT theft. My real question is, what's the logical basis behind it?
 
The government spends more than it makes and has to take it from someone... and dead people are an easier place to steal from.

Yep, that is indeed the truth. But let me restate my question. I understand the logical basis behind it, however, how are politicians selling it to the public so as to hide the logic (and fraudulent nature) of it?

BTW... props on your basketball scores. My better half is gaining on you though! :laughing-smiley-007
 
how are politicians selling it to the public so as to hide the logic (and fraudulent nature) of it?

99% of people don't die with a net worth over $2 million so they don't get hit with the estate tax, and as a result they simply don't care.
 
If you were an incrementalist, and you wanted to abolish all rights of inheritance, what would YOU do?
 
a lot of people see it as "giving some people too much of a head start" or an easy leg up, which is lunacy. Most taxes are theft though. We did just fucking fine in the USA without a federal income tax until the 1910's.
 
Plan ahead, in the UK you have an allowance that you can give to someone per year, before your death, each year donate up to the amount in cash or share in property, year by year, this will limit the tax burden on you.

Obviously, make sure you've bought your children up well, and they wont fuck you over at old age, (and take your property and evict you))..

by the way in the UK we call it inheritance tax, and it isn't just at time of death, it applies at all times, technically if I buy my son a £13,000 car, my son is liable to pay inheritance tax on it, but this rarely happens because it not really accounted for properly (but maybe one day when everything becomes digital, uncle sam will be able to track passover of goods from one person to another and tax you on it).

After death obviously it's a bit more difficult to get away with because the taxman will come in and audit all your belongings etc.

Secondly, rich people dont pay as much tax as poor people (in proportion), ruich people can hire accounts and lawyers who will advise them of every legal tax loophole there is to avoid paying the taxman.

e.g. Company directors often get paid in shares in companies (which is taxed a lot less than hard currency payments)

With estate tax I'm sure there is a way to pool ownership, so say mum, dad, 2 kids all share ownership of the property, so when dad dies the tax burden is a lot less, because dad owned 25% of the £2M property.
 
Most taxes are theft though. We did just fucking fine in the USA without a federal income tax until the 1910's.

Agreed. If there is no economic justification that prompts the willing provision of private property (in this case, wages earned), it must be stolen through coercive force.

For those with a few extra minutes, here's an article that describes the beginnings of the income tax...

The Origin of the Income Tax - Adam Young - Mises Institute

It launches with this quote...

"The freedoms won by Americans in 1776 were lost in the revolution of 1913."
 
In Canada there is no estate tax except for a 1.5% probate tax which can be avoided by having joint ownership of assets before death.

I definitely agree that estate tax is theft. The person paid income tax all their life, and to tax their estate when they die is nothing less than double taxation.