Finding Zip / Email Submits that pay?

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First of all, thank you for the great forum. I've learned a lot just from being here, and I'm fairly certain it's convinced me to take the dive and try a few new things myself.

So after reading the thread about Vicks and the zip / email submits I had an idea of my own I wanted to try out. So I headed over to copeac to find a few zip submits (which I've never done before), put up a yes / no survey around a controversial topic, and tried a few of the submits ($1000 gift card, $500 southwest card, shopping spree) all of which seemed to be something of interest to my audience or generic enough to appeal to most.. I've spent a bit on FB ads and adwords, had a lot of clicks to each of them (200+) and none of them seemed to be converting.

So I assume either my ad was crap (hey, it happens..) or they weren't counting my submits. I filled in one of the offers myself, checked back in 30 minutes, and found I hadn't recieved credit for that, either.

How do you qualify / find email and zip submits that will actually payout once the user submits their information? Am I missing something with how this works?? Any help at all would be great. Thanks in advance.
 


You've really just got to test them, ask your affiliate manager to send through a test lead, and then keep a close eye on conversions. If they start going down dramatically, you're being scrubbed and need to change offers.
 
tyler03 said:
First of all, thank you for the great forum. I've learned a lot just from being here, and I'm fairly certain it's convinced me to take the dive and try a few new things myself.

So after reading the thread about Vicks and the zip / email submits I had an idea of my own I wanted to try out. So I headed over to copeac to find a few zip submits (which I've never done before), put up a yes / no survey around a controversial topic, and tried a few of the submits ($1000 gift card, $500 southwest card, shopping spree) all of which seemed to be something of interest to my audience or generic enough to appeal to most.. I've spent a bit on FB ads and adwords, had a lot of clicks to each of them (200+) and none of them seemed to be converting.

So I assume either my ad was crap (hey, it happens..) or they weren't counting my submits. I filled in one of the offers myself, checked back in 30 minutes, and found I hadn't recieved credit for that, either.

How do you qualify / find email and zip submits that will actually payout once the user submits their information? Am I missing something with how this works?? Any help at all would be great. Thanks in advance.
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tyler sounds like you're just starting out. i started the same way, promoting zip and email submits, many through the survey method -- and let me give you a word of advice: they aren't worth the hassle trying to run them. the advertisers who run these offers are notorious for shaving leads (under-reporting leads), or just not reporting leads period. even if you find a zip/email submit that works, its only a matter of time before it stops working.

spend your time researching other niches or offers you can run. just my 2 cents from someone who has been there.
 
Split-test. Try the email submits on a different network and see if you come up with the same results or not. Many advertisers have a different scrub rate based on the network their offer is on. Some networks even scrub themselves for extra profit. Though, COPEAC wouldn't do such a thing.
 
Try submits from other networks. With email submits its really hit or miss, so you need to split test.
 
for me, usual conversion rates for one field submits usually hover between 10 and 15 percent, sometimes something comes along and stays hot for awhile and stays between 20 and 25 percent. i blend between divs or cloaks and a higher converting traffic source along w traditional ppc traffic in most cases.

the shave and the scrub are your two worst enemies.
 
I have been doing zip submits for a little over 4 years now. It is a tough vertical to sustain success at but very doable.

The first thing you have to do is test as many different offers from different sources as you can. Not meaning different networks. Meaning finding the 3-4 incentive companies that actually put out the offers. You can test them thru networks (although getting as close to the source as possible is better) but if you look at the flow of the offers you can def figure out the different players.

Once you do that you need to log who is scrubbing you. It may not be just the network you are running it out of but also the advertiser themselves scrubbing which is part of the game. If you can't get over that then don't run them.

That will give you some clarity to decide at which pace to move forward with if at all. I work with most of these guys directly. Some are total crooks some are really good guys. It is finding the good guys that will work with you that will make running these, or any, campaign a long term success.

I have found also that the scrub rate will vary depending on your quality of traffic. You send them shit traffic they scrub harder. Always sub-id so that if they feel they need to turn something off they can typically do it at the sub-id level. I run the same offers in different placements and get paid different payouts for each sub-id. I know what traffic I am sending them is shit and which is not. And so do they.

I could go on and on but I won't.
 
I am not going to give away how and where but I would be willing to answer any questions that I can. If you have something specific to ask and don't want to do it here just PM me.
 
I registered with several aff networks (motive, copeac, a4d, azoogle) and tested the highest paid email/zip submit offer from each network. IF the test lead works, I do a small test (post up on a dummy site I have that gets a few conversions every day). If they convert, I use em.

The problem I find with usuing just one aff network is that there could be one advertiser for 50%+ of the offers - signing up for one scrubs them from the rest.
 
exactly. top notch media, bullseye media, one click media and etc are all the same company. you can tell by the format of the pages.
 
that's what I meant by learning who the 3-4 players are. A few of them do look alike though. And some of the more agressive ones will not only scrub from campaign to campaign but against their legacy database. One or two have a tolerable 24 -48 hour unique scrub per domain/campaign name though.
 
I like that idea about the sub ID level...as I am thinking about it...with most zip/email offers I do PHP redirects but I am just slammin them up there....

They used to be very profitable however someone is "scrubbing" plenty as all tests I run never work anymore and you know what I am tired of troubleshooting or working with my AM's. At Primary Ads my AM has changed 3 x in the last year to people quitting.

I was not a major player on that network..I am probably not a "major" player on alot of networks:updown:

But I am a member of PPCF and I was suggested not to waste my time with certain CPA networks with the email/zip submits

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I have been doing zip submits for a little over 4 years now. It is a tough vertical to sustain success at but very doable.

The first thing you have to do is test as many different offers from different sources as you can. Not meaning different networks. Meaning finding the 3-4 incentive companies that actually put out the offers. You can test them thru networks (although getting as close to the source as possible is better) but if you look at the flow of the offers you can def figure out the different players.

Once you do that you need to log who is scrubbing you. It may not be just the network you are running it out of but also the advertiser themselves scrubbing which is part of the game. If you can't get over that then don't run them.

That will give you some clarity to decide at which pace to move forward with if at all. I work with most of these guys directly. Some are total crooks some are really good guys. It is finding the good guys that will work with you that will make running these, or any, campaign a long term success.

I have found also that the scrub rate will vary depending on your quality of traffic. You send them shit traffic they scrub harder. Always sub-id so that if they feel they need to turn something off they can typically do it at the sub-id level. I run the same offers in different placements and get paid different payouts for each sub-id. I know what traffic I am sending them is shit and which is not. And so do they.

I could go on and on but I won't.
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great post.

How can you tell who is doing the scrub..network or advertiser? I had a email sub campaign that was 100% roi for 4 solid months, then , wham, overnite went to shit.
Tried it a few other networks but it never did the same again. Down to around 15-20% ROI...

Volume10 said:
I have been doing zip submits for a little over 4 years now. It is a tough vertical to sustain success at but very doable.

The first thing you have to do is test as many different offers from different sources as you can. Not meaning different networks. Meaning finding the 3-4 incentive companies that actually put out the offers. You can test them thru networks (although getting as close to the source as possible is better) but if you look at the flow of the offers you can def figure out the different players.

Once you do that you need to log who is scrubbing you. It may not be just the network you are running it out of but also the advertiser themselves scrubbing which is part of the game. If you can't get over that then don't run them.

That will give you some clarity to decide at which pace to move forward with if at all. I work with most of these guys directly. Some are total crooks some are really good guys. It is finding the good guys that will work with you that will make running these, or any, campaign a long term success.

I have found also that the scrub rate will vary depending on your quality of traffic. You send them shit traffic they scrub harder. Always sub-id so that if they feel they need to turn something off they can typically do it at the sub-id level. I run the same offers in different placements and get paid different payouts for each sub-id. I know what traffic I am sending them is shit and which is not. And so do they.

I could go on and on but I won't.
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We have a bunch of NO Scrub Email Submits at EliteCommission.

They all allow: Search, Email, Contextual Traffic.

PM me if your interested.
 
zimok said:
Why not share them? You'd be giving the good guys more business and people wouldn't waste time with crooks, Win/Win?
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The key is to deal direct with the advertiser and not go through the networks. Because the networks sometimes are doing the scrub themselves. ModernAd Media is probably the best one out there for no scrubs or I should say minimal scrubs. Everyone scrubs, no matter if they say they don't. I can give anyone a contact there if you want. Just PM me.
 
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