Goddamn Sheeple.

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BlondeTM said:
Those of you that don't believe in God, what are your views on what happens after death?
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My belief is your corpse rots and your spirit or energy or whatever it is goes back out into the universe until it finds someplace else to land. Whatever that energy is, it goes on...

I do NOT believe I'm going to some place in the clouds with gold paved streets or some place in the center of the earth where I'll be on fire and someone will constantly fuck with me and make my afterlife miserable.
 


The people that say "I'll have my beliefs and you have yours" always kinda make me chuckle, cause you can believe whatever you want, but I still think you're an idiot. I fail to see why religious beliefs must be afforded a magical blanket of individual truth. If you walk up to me and tell me the Noodle God must be appeased, that the world is flat, or that Miva is a kick-ass search engine, we won't agree to disagree, I'll call you a fucking idiot.

*end rant* flame away.
 
When you die, that is the end.

Yes, I know that is scary. Trying to wrap my head around that, I get scared too.

Not scared enough to believe in that Zombie Jew and his father or blowing myself up for someone promising me virgins after my death or anything else religious, though.

The good thing - and the reason I believe that atheists have to adhere to a higher ethical standard - is that it reminds me that my time on this earth is finite. All the good I want to do, all the bad I want to do I have to make it happen in this short span of time.

No second chance, no rebirth, no paradise, no hell. Just what we make of it. Now.

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Hmmm I'm really surprised no one has gone there yet, emp. The whole ethics thing. For some reason I get that alot. Here's what I get the most "You're not going to take your son to church? How is going to learn to be ethical?" (Heh the last thing I would do is bring him to a church for that) But I always find that the most annoying and insulting of all the atheist assumptions. I find it weird to live by strange laws of a mythical dude in the clouds. I think it makes more sense to make laws and morals that best fit a society to help achieve greater cohesion and productivity. But if I were just going to put it simply, I would say I want to do good, for good's sake. You don't need a reason and you don't need the threat of eternal damnation to keep you inline, you just need to live by that. And if you don't, most likely there will be legal, emotional, financial and or social ramifications in this life. And that's enough for me.
 
Well, I thought we were done with this thread, as it seems the radical atheists can't let it go? :)

I am not going to debate or get sucked into this again, but i wish for all of you the best in your life's endeavors. Maybe I am an idiot, but then again I feel fine and know where I stand. Just keep in mind that insulting someone is not an intelligent or ethical way to prove your point. Your no better than the Christians that your insulting and it really changes nothing.
 
I'm not really sure how anyone can believe there is nothing... isn't it the same as believing there is something? It's still an act of faith and something we ultimately cannot know for certain one way or another. I prefer to keep an open mind.

For me, the same logic that says religion is bullshit and has little to do with spirituality also says there's way too much evidence of the supernatural to completely discount it.

I know governments like to waste money, but would they pour billions into researching ESP, remote viewing, telepathy, etc if it was a complete load of crap? We are only just hearing of what they did 50 years ago, fuck knows what they are playing with now.

I couldn't say I believe or know, but I've got a good idea that there is a shit load of stuff we don't know about and most likely some stuff the human mind is not capable of comprehending.
 
It is up to you to feel insulted when I make fun of your imaginary friend.

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turbolapp said:
(Heh the last thing I would do is bring him to a church for that)
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why, because they teach children in Sunday School to beat up their friends and stone other people? they teach children to obey their parents, treat others as they would want to be treated, and love other people. doesn't sound so bad to me.


And if you don't, most likely there will be legal, emotional, financial and or social ramifications in this life.
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so then you just kill yourself. if there's nothing happening after and your actions caused you all this displeasure in life, you can just end it and that's that. ramifications = gone.


many people need faith in something supernatural to keep themselves in line every day.

CONCLUSIONS: Religious<sup> </sup>affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed<sup> </sup>inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found<sup> </sup>that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression<sup> </sup>level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective<sup> </sup>factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence<sup> </sup>of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral<sup> </sup>objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal<sup> </sup>thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.
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Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt -- Dervic et al. 161 (12): 2303 -- Am J Psychiatry
 
Apart from my views on suicide as being "ethical, amoral" or what not, even from the cited summary I see problems in the statistical reasoning:

Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often<sup> </sup>married, less often had children, and had less contact with<sup> </sup>family members
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There are at least 2 distinct groups being observed.
The religiously unaffiliated group was younger, more likely to be unmarried, no children, less family ties.

The reasons for which are unclear, what I see here is a fault in the statistical grouping. You are looking at at least 2 groups (young/old) maybe even more (married/unmarried), etc..

Looking at this, I cpuld just as well conclude that having kids is a good cure for suicidal depression.

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Actually, I am not insulted emp. I was stating a fact and that is if you have to resort to insulting someone you are debating, or discussing a point, it seems you have no better argument. I would assume you are here to conduct business among peers, so you may want to handle yourself appropriately. Just an observation.

You can also twist the suicide statistics all you want, but suicide among teens is alot lower in kids that attend church. One could also argue that we didn't have as many school shootings before they took prayer and the 10 commandments out of schools.

I could also assume your hatred of the "zombie jew" stems from your hatred of jews, but that would be stereotyping all Germans. I only point this out to show how anyone can make the mistake of guilt by association, just like you assume all Christians are radical and trying to force a religion on you.

LazyHippy had a very valid point as well. At least he is fair to assume that either one of us could be right.
 
Hatred of Jews? me? nope.

And this forum is not "conduct yourself in a professional manner to conduct business" but "a place for AMs to hang out and relax", last time I looked.

I am not even saying that Christians are all radicals.

And no, I will not assume that either one of us can be right. There is too much of a "jump of faith" required to get me to look at religion as even a a"maybe".

And I am not, I repeat I am NOT twisting the suicide statistics.
I am simply pointing out problems in the scientific reasoning. This, to say that again and again is how science progresses.

No one is helped by bad science. No one. Loaded science (as this seems to be) doesn't help either.

Especially in social sciences, there are many murky areas, many twisted variables to untangle, so sound methodology is required.

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BTW: you HAVE heard of the scientific study done of prayer for sick and injured, right? Turns out it does not help.
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Prayer does not heal the sick, study finds - Times Online
 
i started typing some mumbo jumbo backed by statistics and evidence trying to prove my views blah blah blah...and then said fuck it. Nones gonna change someones mind especially their beliefs over the internets. So all this is, is trying to prove the other is wrong and a dumass and you're right. Congratulation's, here's a cookie.

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Just look at it like balance...you can't have 1 without the other. Done. Move on.
If there was only 1 belief, 1 culture, 1 language etc the world would be a very boring place. There's no Utopia...so stop effin lookin for one.
 
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