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what a bunch of cocky little shits...if they pulled that shit where i grew up they would be pulled out there car and beaten, then have their phone stomped on and tossed into the river.

also, i really do not get a long with cops, thats my general nature - but i would never pull some shit like that.
 
guerilla said:
Control + highest claim to ownership = ownership.
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Your conclusion is that property rights exist (beyond de jure obviously). Your premises are 1. I control myself and 2. I own myself. How is this not begging the question? The second premise pre-supposes property rights. There is a big jump between control and ownership.

I want to understand the following:

1. I control myself. (I accept this premise)
2. Therefore, I own myself. (I reject this conclusion because it's a non sequitur)

If the definition of ownership is not literal, I'd like to know what it is.

Moreover, let's assume for the sake of the argument that ownership follows from control.

1. I control myself.
2. I own myself.
3. Therefore, property exists. (NOT rights)

guerilla said:
Not sure what argument you're making here. Free will doesn't exist?
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More specifically, it's an illusion.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g]Sam Harris on "Free Will" - YouTube[/ame]

guerilla said:
I asked "why", not whether he was right or wrong.

You don't have to assume any precondition except that "I exist". I specifically laid it out that way, to keep it as simple as possible.

It seems to me, you're trying to introduce value judgments where none are required.

If I ask you, "how does gravity work" do you have to assume any preconditions beyond gravity existing? I don't believe so.

Likewise, I was asking a question about process, not judgment. How did I come to owe someone taxes?

I agree.

People (myself included) believe in things that don't meet the burden of proof all of the time. I like to think it's because we're taking mental shortcuts that save us time. We simply don't have the luxury of doing deep cognitive analysis of every aspect of reality.

But that said, when we do stop to analyze something, and it doesn't meet the burden of proof, I think as rational, honest people, we need to either pull back our confidence and/or look much harder for proof.
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You asked "why is he right or wrong." Now, I realize the question doesn't require any pre-conditions per se, but in order to give you an answer other than "I don't know", I'd have to make an assumption. Perhaps I misunderstood the question, but I don't see what it proves.

How did I come to live in a place where might is not right? I did not sign any social contract.
 
guerilla said:
When was the last time someone invaded the US? You've got 300 million armed, friend chicken eating, dixie line dancing, sushi dinner making, playboy magazine subscribing cowboys (and some damn yankees).
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12/7/41 was the last invasion. It ended badly for the invaders. (I am not being flippant here in anyway.)

guerilla said:
No one wants to invade the US. And it has nothing to do with the US military. The US military are the foreign legions.
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No one... maybe. Maybe not.


guerilla said:
People in tech tend to have a shitty view of humans. It may be accurate, but its shitty. You need to come spend a month where I live. You'll realize (if you don't already know) that people of mixed religions, races etc can live among each other without a lot of trouble.
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My own shitty view stems from early childhood. I also gravitated towards violent/dangerous sports in my formative years. More importantly is the fact that we are predatory mammals. You and I may speak intelligently about why this is no longer necessary and how morally objectionable it all is: that discourse however will not change our genetic wiring.

fwiw I do live in a nice community. A bit too Mayberyesque for my taste at times - but nice.

guerilla said:
In this regard, the US is bad, because it's the most violent of the western nations. There is a lot of aggression, which I think is related to, or feeds to/from the American obsession with the state/military/exceptionalism.

In other countries, the jingoism and nationalism just isn't such a big deal. In Canada, one day a year we go, "Oh yeah, we're Canada. It's a great place." then we go back to whatever else we were doing. There is very little flag waving. Very little overt nationalism. I suspect many other smaller countries are like this.
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I must say you have made me think about some of my long held beliefs. Well done.

btw, you don't know anyone who drives a black Tahoe with limo tint do ya? ;)
 
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