GUN CONTROL BATTLE

Veritas

Veritas

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May 13, 2011
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It's very sad to see thousands of people die from guns every month and year and yet we still don't have tight gun control restrictions. I was watching a doc on HBO about how many people died from a single month to a single season and it tells stories about the people who died from it, it was very interesting and depressing to watch on how easy it is to access weapons.
 


If your for either side of the debate a good question I think no one really talks about is: can you really regulate guns in USA?

I see gov programs like DEA and TSA with incredibly low approval levels. Another classic example is prohibition and how that worked/ended (have you seen the quotes about prohibition?) Also, did you know USA is the biggest exporters in guns? We're a gun culture like we are a drug/drinking one.

How would removal of guns work? You can make a gun and bullets. Would it be like drugs where I have to give my ID to get cough syrup but for common materials used to manufacture guns? Philippines is dealing with this issue in a big way when they made it harder, result was more unregulated guns in the market from illegal gun-smithing shops.

To compare this to what is going on in Philippines, if we were to ban guns or make them harder to get wouldn't that result in potentially more unregistered guns in the wrong people's hands? On top of that wouldn't accidental gun deaths be even higher from people not being able to easily learn on gun training (ex. practicing at a shooting range)?

This is not to even bring up the topic of 3D printing. Which someone can make a 3D model of a gun if they wanted.

So you can be for or against guns but to actually put any laws into action is completely different. Where would that money/budget come from? Especially after your literally closing down markets/jobs from guns/manufacturing.
 
I question whether it's as large as an issue as people make it out to be. According to CDC stats more people kill themselves with guns (suicide) than they do others. And overall gun deaths are much less than many other social issues including vehicle deaths, although news today is that gun related deaths (note not homicides but total) will surpass vehicle deaths in the US.

Although it is a shame that there are some crazy people running around killing people, this seems relatively small and you are much more likely to be killed from smoking, eating McDonalds (obesity is my point), drug or alcohol abuse, or probably a lot of other things.
 
Replace the word "gun" with "alcohol car" in op's post. Come to terms with the fact op has thought this out very well. Get frustrated and get alcohol drunk and drive it off. Realize if there were more alcohol car control laws there would be less gun deaths. More gun control equals more alcohol car deaths. It's obvious we need alcohol gun control car laws more. Try to have a good day
 
inb4 crime stats
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op is obviously a racist degeneracrat who really just wants more unarmed innocent black people to get shot to death while sitting in church.
 
here is a glimpse at what a gun free society in America would look like:
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potentialeight said:
Here's a fun chart: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

A better place to look to try to save lives would be to focus on keeping men from killing themselves. Around 30,000 men kill themselves each year in the United States, and only about 13,000-14,000 murders are committed each year.
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Edit: Looks like @potentialeight realized he was posting bullshit and got rid of the chart.

You do realize that the link you posted contradicts the bullshit chart you included, right?

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I have to take you back to what a sensible Reggae musician once said "it is laws that create crime and violence"

When you totally restrict guns, only criminals will have guns. When your house is invaded by intruders, would you rather protect yourself with a machine gun or call 911?

Unfortunately, the crazy shootings will continue because it is all planned by the controllers to have Americans give up their gun rights.

The mass media is tightly controlled, and you have to ask yourself why certain stories are chosen to be heavily promoted to the masses.

After 911, I got wise to the media barons and how they can have you convinced "RED is BLUE" if you're not privy to their tactics.

But in the scheme of things, gun death is minor compared to Alcohol deaths, prescription drugs deaths, poisoned bad food deaths, environmental pollution deaths etc. Just the 3 I mentioned kill millions of Americans every year, and you wander why they chose not to highlight them to the public.
 
Only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is what, a guy with an elastic wrapped around his thumb?

Stupid libs believe their own bullshit.
 
JulianTrueFlynn said:
If your for either side of the debate a good question I think no one really talks about is: can you really regulate guns in USA?

I see gov programs like DEA and TSA with incredibly low approval levels. Another classic example is prohibition and how that worked/ended (have you seen the quotes about prohibition?) Also, did you know USA is the biggest exporters in guns? We're a gun culture like we are a drug/drinking one.

How would removal of guns work? You can make a gun and bullets. Would it be like drugs where I have to give my ID to get cough syrup but for common materials used to manufacture guns? Philippines is dealing with this issue in a big way when they made it harder, result was more unregulated guns in the market from illegal gun-smithing shops.

To compare this to what is going on in Philippines, if we were to ban guns or make them harder to get wouldn't that result in potentially more unregistered guns in the wrong people's hands? On top of that wouldn't accidental gun deaths be even higher from people not being able to easily learn on gun training (ex. practicing at a shooting range)?

This is not to even bring up the topic of 3D printing. Which someone can make a 3D model of a gun if they wanted.

So you can be for or against guns but to actually put any laws into action is completely different. Where would that money/budget come from? Especially after your literally closing down markets/jobs from guns/manufacturing.
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Guns can be manufactured easily with basic metalworking tools but it's fair to say the ammunition can't. Unless you revert to BP weapons anyway.

1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation - Forbes -- preparation for a coming insurrection or de facto gun control? Is ammo still in short supply?
 
Make a law that requires x amount of household income before being allowed to have a child.

Boom, 90% of gun problems solved.
 
JulianTrueFlynn said:
If your for either side of the debate a good question I think no one really talks about is: can you really regulate guns in USA?

I see gov programs like DEA and TSA with incredibly low approval levels. Another classic example is prohibition and how that worked/ended (have you seen the quotes about prohibition?) Also, did you know USA is the biggest exporters in guns? We're a gun culture like we are a drug/drinking one.

How would removal of guns work? You can make a gun and bullets. Would it be like drugs where I have to give my ID to get cough syrup but for common materials used to manufacture guns? Philippines is dealing with this issue in a big way when they made it harder, result was more unregulated guns in the market from illegal gun-smithing shops.

To compare this to what is going on in Philippines, if we were to ban guns or make them harder to get wouldn't that result in potentially more unregistered guns in the wrong people's hands? On top of that wouldn't accidental gun deaths be even higher from people not being able to easily learn on gun training (ex. practicing at a shooting range)?

This is not to even bring up the topic of 3D printing. Which someone can make a 3D model of a gun if they wanted.

So you can be for or against guns but to actually put any laws into action is completely different. Where would that money/budget come from? Especially after your literally closing down markets/jobs from guns/manufacturing.
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As history shows, the only thing to stop a robber is a potentially armed victim. In some African countries civil wars wage for decades. Nearly all people there have firearms with them all of the time. They are all very polite to each other, as stupid fucks are quickly and mercilessly slain. I understand this is a bit of too much, so here is another example.

Moldova adopted legal weapon ownage back in 1990-ies. They have one of the lowest in Europe rates of street crime, burglaries and homicides. You have to be mad to try to rob a girl who carries a 38-mil Smit&Wesson in her pocket. And what if she does not? Will you try to find it out, risking being shot to the death?

Really the only way to stop crime is to give people a way to earn money legally, so they do not have to steal in order to survive. That would solve 90% of the problems and the rest can be done by the police.

This, or arming everyone to the teeth. No gun control laws and restrictions will do any good.
 
Virtually all gun related murders are tied to social and economic issues, not simply because they're available. Canada and Switzerland have a pretty significant number of legally owned guns, yet have extraordinarily low crime rates. Brazil, Honduras and Mexico have relatively few legally owned guns yet have astronomical gun crime rates.

The US problem appears bad, but once you jump into the data, things change.

For instance, the closest city to me (Columbus Ohio) has around 100 murders a year, most of which are gun related. I pulled up a map of the location of the murders for 2013 and 95% of the murders were confined to just 3 geographic areas. These areas contained just about 15% of the total population (Around 1 million) yet made up virtually all the murders. Simply moving out of those areas moved you from over 70 per 100k capita murder rate to right around 2 per 100k.

My county is just 25 miles south of Columbus, and our annualized murder rate is something like 0.7 per 100,000. Yet the gun laws between both areas are identical as the state of Ohio doesn't allow municipalities to enact their own rules.

So, if gun control is the SOLE reason for gun violence, then the rates should be much more homogeneous, but they're simply not. They're confined to very small geographic areas with a relatively small subset of the population. Remove the abjectly poor, uneducated masses (Of which there are far less in other OCED countries) then our murder rate falls in line, or below the rest, yet our gun laws are significantly more liberal than most.
 
I think it's fair to say it's a combination of availability and socio-economic issues. It's dishonest to accept one & discount the other. E.g. Canada seems like a pretty chilling place on the surface but the gun-crime rate is significantly higher than in equivalent European societies. Why? Porous borders with the US. Let's not mention Mexico...

If we did look at Europe, although the gun-crime rates are lower, everyone and their nan has an AK out East. Coppers are armed in le France/Belgique -- but not here in the UK. Why? Social prosperity and the English Channel.

Either way, gun culture is so entrenched in US society (as an pro-gun outsider) that, at this point, further federal gun control is both pointless and un-feasible. I know I'd be strapped..

Is there still an ammo shortage btw?

EDIT: lol. Moldova.. I hear it's basically heaven on Earth.
 
KennyPowers said:


Edit: Looks like @potentialeight realized he was posting bullshit and got rid of the chart.

You do realize that the link you posted contradicts the bullshit chart you included, right?

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The link I posted is the chart I included and the chart you have here AFAIK. If it wasn't, then there's probably a reason I removed it from my post.

Around 30,000 men kill themselves each year in the United States, and only about 13,000-14,000 murders are committed each year.
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I made a mistake here. It's actually 12,000-13,000 since the number of murders has went down.

Fun fact: From the CDC, "From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States." On another note, something like three or four times as many people die in car accidents each year than total murder in the United States.

My point is if we're concerned with saving lives, then there are much better places to look than trying to ban guns.
 
Veritas said:
It's very sad to see thousands of people die from guns every month and year and yet we still don't have tight gun control restrictions.
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I think you're really just sad that a select few can't control the many in the name of the greater good. I truly don't believe you give a flaming fuck about anybody who's been shot. Just a hunch.
 
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